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[–] genoxidedev1@kbin.social 126 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Wasn't Brave always known to be shady in one way or the other? Which is why I never get why people say "remove Chrome get Brave" in 2023.

[–] 1bluepixel@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 year ago

A crypto company turns out to be shady? Who would have thought!

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes exactly. This is just yet another of Brave's long history of controversial moves.

Typically, these have been followed by the CEO going on a marketing campaign. The new users drown out the controversy.

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[–] rolandtb303@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

ye first time i heard about brave was in a sponsor segment on a youtube video, my first thoughts were "lol another chromium browser? rewards? bar? ok this seems shady as hell" and sure enough it is indeed shady af. the Tor mode had DNS leaks way back (besides who in their right mind would even use tor in a chromium browser), URL injections, brave not giving out BAT, also them spam mailing Brave pamphlets to customers (physical mail too, it was through i think UPS, which idk if that's technically considered a privacy violation, but to me, mailing someone a pamphlet out of the blue when you use their browser without your consent is quite literally a privacy violation, no matter where you got the data from or how you mailed it).

been gladly using firefox ever since version 3, best browser of all time.

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Honestly it shocks me that people are surprised by this.

Any free product that also claims to be more privacy friendly is lying. In fact, if you want to farm the data of the group of people who are harder to track because they care about privacy... Launching a Chromium browser with a fancy skin and spending 80% of your money astroturfing online so "users" can "recommend" your "privacy friendly" browser everywhere is quite literally the best strategy.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

How exactly were they known to be shady?

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[–] BlushedPotatoPlayers@terefere.eu 49 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Just lovely, when you think you found a browser that works decently and cares about privacy...

[–] majestictechie@lemmy.fosshost.com 141 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Just use Firefox, it's always been the best out of them for Privacy

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[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave’s been super shady its entire existence. They’ve been caught linkjacking and accepting “donations” for websites that don’t have accounts (so theft via fraud).

[–] rarely@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you are talking about BAT, you should know that creators can sign up to get the BAT owed to them.

[–] igorkraw@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

How many will though? They are still soliciting donations without the claimed recipients knowledge

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[–] Vlyn@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Install Firefox (also works on mobile!), add uBlock Origin (also available on mobile!), done.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

*not on iOS **but soon will be due to EU laws (blink-based and gecko-based browsers will be available probably next year to comply with the law (yes worldwide, trying to region lock will result in 1) it won’t work anyway and 2) assdestroying fines from the EU for blatant violation)

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[–] deadbolt@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The browser is fine. Nobody seems to have read the article. It’s about their search engine. It doesn’t have anything to do with privacy, instead it’s about copyright infringement.

I’m not sure why this was even posted here. Maybe OP didn’t read the article either.

[–] Redcedar@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was suspicious as soon as I saw it runs on Chromium. I can safely assure you, Google is not focusing on privacy features there.

[–] 4am@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Chromium and Chrome are not the same thing.

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[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Vivaldi is awesome. Both for desktop and android.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Why do people just don't use something like Firefox or any forks of it. Its the only browser which is truly still Open Source

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use Fennec (for android), maintained by Mozilla and no possible Google-Play shennanigans.

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[–] FarLine99@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

yeah, it is such a pain 😥. but hardened firefox 😏

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[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The more surprising part of this article is that enough people use Brave to create enough of a dataset to train AI.

I have a feeling that in a future AI society, one trained on Brave data would be considered special needs.

[–] gorysubparbagel@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is data scraped from websites for the brave search engine, not data from browser users

[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the clarification - this is actually a lot worse when reading through the article. I hadn't realized they even had a search crawler.

[–] conductor@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The browser with fuckloads of baked-in crypto was doing shady shit? No way!

No idea why no one made a fork that just follows the original basically but removes all the “BAT” crypto, web3, all that dogshit, bullshit, annoying-ass crypto bro shit.

[–] nemesis_aorta@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Someone tried to do it a few years back and either got threatened with a lawsuit or actually got sued by Brave because of it. The browser was called Braver; you can look it up!

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[–] tomartiv@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

I just switch back to good old firefox.

[–] torbjoern@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ITT: Cryptobros and apologists finding new and creative ways to justify the behaviour of a company, the head of which was ousted from his last position because of crude political views, i.e. not granting people basic rights.

[–] atomicpile@tron.atomicpile.info 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article is about brave search not the browser.

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave Search and Brave Browser are both products of the same company, Brave Software, Inc.

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[–] deadbolt@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How is this related to privacy? The whole thing is about copyright infringement…

[–] 4am@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The Brave browser is billed as an ad-blocking, privacy protecting, champion of the everyday internet user.

We know they’re not, but they openly masquerade as one and so when they do something shady it’s somewhat relevant to put them on blast yet again. Just look at all the people in this thread alone that are like “oh wtf Brave isn’t good for privacy?”

I mean I’m sorry you’re not learning anything new from this content but we should probably be happy others are.

[–] Zippythezigzag@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I got a bad feeling about that app when i tried it. Something about it didn't "feel" right. Went crawling right back to firefox after.

[–] Lamy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

This is important information but it really should be compared to google chrome, safari, edge, and Firefox default settings, which are all bad for privacy, and when combined, make up 99% of browsers.

This article is written like everyone already knows how to install and use librewolf.

[–] CashmereWitch@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am not an expert and I am sincerely asking, but everyone who is recommending Firefox, how do you feel about DuckDuckGo?

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

DDG is miles ahead of Brave. But the company behind it has a deal with MS to feed them user data. They're transparent about it and the motivation isn't nefarious. But still, it's a thing. Now obviously, FF has deal with google, so I guess it's more of a "pick your poison" situation

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