Joncash2

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[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's not my bullshit, this is what China stated they want. After all, they are not one to judge what a country is or is not. They only judge themselves. Thus, they cannot change the rules of normal business.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (17 children)

So what everyone calls China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, many Latin America, African and South East Asian nations. It's not for China to decide what a nation is or what it's people are doing. After all, if we just blindly listen to what people call a fascist colonial regime, then China would have to sanction China.

*Edit: Or are you saying you completely and blindly trust China's wisdom on knowing who is and who isn't what you called them? Now you have USA 2.0.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (19 children)

China's rule is they will support both sides regardless of what other say about them. They did it for Russia, they did it for Myanmar. They have to be consistent since every other nation always accuses them of supporting the other side. Imagine if you will if they only supported Russia, how would the EU respond? What about the people of Myanmar if they supported the Myanmar Junta against the protestors?

What would their argument to the United States and EU be if they are biased in the Gaza conflict when China didn't side with them on Russia? How would the people of Cambodia feel if China broke it's own rules and militarily supported Myanmar? Neutral is neutral. Once you've chosen that, you can't really go back on your word.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 months ago (25 children)

Of course China does. If China does something for one side, it will do the same for the other. Just like in Russia and Ukraine. Should China stop sending aid to Palestine?

In the beginning

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-says-provide-2-million-humanitarian-aid-gaza-2023-10-26/

In the middle

https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html

This year

https://english.news.cn/20250219/a55206ed362944b49c23f362cee8527f/c.html

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's not about the money. It's about conducting normal business regardless of who they are. That's China's will. If it was about money, China wouldn't have just kept sending free money to Palestine through out the war.

In the beginning

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-says-provide-2-million-humanitarian-aid-gaza-2023-10-26/

In the middle

https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html

This year

https://english.news.cn/20250219/a55206ed362944b49c23f362cee8527f/c.html

So should China stop sending aid in addition to sending workers to Israel? If China does something for one side, it will do something for the other side. Neutral is neutral.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago (32 children)

Well, neutral means neutral. Sadly, we seem to have lost an understanding of the word in this devisive world. Let me try to use two different conflicts to explain what I mean. Hopefully one of them you'll be less emotional about one or the other to let you see the neutrality.

The first one is obviously the Russian Ukraine war. China will not sell to Russia anything it wouldn't be willing to sell to Ukraine. Regardless of the friendship talks with Russia, China maintains it's neutrality and continues to supply Ukraine with drones and guidance systems. They even prefer them to US switchblades.

People argue that Myanmar is a Chinese puppet. However, China has been supplying the revolutionaries with weapons as much as the Myanmar regime. It's not China's place to decide which government the people of Myanmar choose. So regardless of the global backlash China gets for not stepping in, China's response has always been step in for whom? China is no one's opponent.

China has been working towards a completely neutral world. They can't just abandon it because some feel the Gaza conflict is a more worthy cause than all the other ones. Neutral is neutral, good or bad.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (39 children)

Of course it sucks. As long as the US and it's allies will continue to block any global action, China cannot make a move or risk reprisal from those nations as well as lose the trust it's been building up with the global south. It's nice to imagine China as an all powerful big dog, but in reality China has a lot of weaknesses it has to play around. And on top of that, it's promise to BRICS and the global south is that China will never play favorites means it can't act or lose trust. The trust which is tenuously built since China refuses allies.

The real question you should ask yourself is whether or not China is right and we must move to a multipolar world. If you agree with it and that we should not have a super power hegemon, then sadly blood must be spilled to usher in a new world. And China promises to help construct it no matter who is in charge.

Now, that all said. My personal opinion is I partly disagree. I don't think the bloodshed is worth it. I also don't see another path. It's clear China had chosen to do this regardless. But that means a lot of wars as the world police goes to sleep. Which sadly means we are going to see a lot more genocides.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago (62 children)

Do you want China to be another USA? Because interference with the open market and manipulating other nations with tariffs and sanctions is something China promises not to do unilaterally, unless they are attacked in the same way. Thus, China cannot interfere with normal Chinese-Israeli business. Does that mean construction materials and labour will go to construct things where the Chinese government itself may not want? Sure, but it also means the Chinese will never cut you off unilaterally.

The only way to change this is to petition the UN for global sanctions. But USA will clearly block anything with help from their allies. China simply refuses to take any market distorting actions, and like it or not, construction is absolutely normal business activity.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Well, sure. But none of them would be enough pressure to change the US direction. Also, China already basically used all of them.

Rare earth being the most famous one. But much like sanctions on Russia this will always be leaky.

Trade with nations on USA's hit list. Russia being the best example. But China already does trade with them. They'd have to start to break EU and UN sanctions to do more, and while upsetting USA would be nice, they don't want to create a tear with Europe.

Stopping Chinese students from going to the US. This would be a longer play, but forcing a reverse brain drain would benefit China to US detriment. However, Trump is already doing this for free.

Creating actual alliances, if this were to happen it would put USA on the back foot as they'd have many nations they would suddenly have to contend with. However, this goes against China's very ethos. China believes alliances are problematic and creates divisions in the world. This is why China has no allies. And to China's point, look at what Trump just did to his allies.

I could go on. Other options are too weak to make a dent or Trump is already giving it to China for free. It's hard to make an effective move when your opponent is throwing golden opportunities at you. To be honest, China mostly just wants everything to play out and see where the pieces lay.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

China absolutely has the power over the US to make the US feel pain. The problem is any use of that power would make China feel just as much pain. It would be self-immolation. The three main things China can do are.

Cut all exports. Ironically, Trump did that to himself so that's why Trump capitulated.

Sell all US assets. Not just bonds. Of course this would absolutely destroy China's economy, so a no go.

Nuclear war. But this is the end of humanity, so also a no go.

So China has the power, but would need to basically be willing to end life as we know it, or do what Trump did to himself. Again, ironically that was the one thing that didn't involve total annihilation and Trump willingly committed seppuku. So weird.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So that's the dumbest thing Trump is doing. Deporting low income workers when he's trying to bring low income work back to America. It's literally the opposite of what you would want to do. Yet here we are. The stupidity I feel is the most stunning thing about all this. I knew Trump was insane, but completely idiotic was not something I thought was part of the deal.

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