Sage_the_Lawyer

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[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I don't think there's really a number of years to put on it to make it appropriate. But I'm sure the lawyers discussed all the points you raised in negotiating this sentence. These numbers aren't pulled out of our asses, there are guidelines (almost certainly, again, not barred in NY) which help ensure similarly situated defendants are sentenced similarly.

What I'd like to hear more about, is whether the judge also ordered some kind of anger management counseling. I think that's what she needs more than a longer sentence.

If we truly want to balance the goals of protecting the public, adequately punishing the defendant, and also rehabilitating her, I don't think a few more years either way is what makes the biggest difference. I think it more depends on what she does with that time. I'm not sure what the situation is like within New York prisons as far as counseling goes, but if they have good programs, it's hard for me to imagine, if she takes it seriously, that 8.5 years of good counseling wouldn't be helpful to her, and to society at large.

I also think she could make all those gains in counseling, again, if she truly takes it seriously, within a couple of years. But then, I could probably be convinced that 2-3 years isn't long enough for causing someone's death. I've seen people get that for having the wrong amount of weed on them.

But then we get into the larger discussion about the entire prison industrial complex. We need some kind of change with how our prisons operate. Exactly how that looks isn't the point here. I'm just trying to point out that there's a bigger picture in play, and hope that people will consider that in the future.

In the end, nothing we say here has any impact on her life or the issued sentence. But it might have a difference in how people perceive and talk about the system as a whole in the future, so I think it's important to not lose sight of that.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 122 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Defense lawyer here, though not in New York so take this all with a grain of salt, I just felt I should put my 2 cents in based on the vibes in this comment thread.

It is weird for a judge to go against a joint recommendation, which seems to have happened here. It takes something extraordinary. The article indicates that the judge felt she didn't truly feel remorse for her actions, which could do it, but doesn't always do it. But, to me, just the fact that the judge went against a joint recommendation will always raise an eyebrow. Usually, if the sentence isn't harsh enough, the prosecutor won't agree to it, and if it's too harsh, the defense won't agree to it. So joint recommendations are almost always followed.

Yes, it's "only" 6 more months, but that's really not insignificant.

Now, to all the people screaming about how it's not enough (and especially to the one person saying she should have her citizenship revoked (????)), I wonder, how many of you are also against the prison industrial complex we have here in America? I challenge you to think beyond your initial emotions. Is this death tragic? Yes, absolutely it is. It was senseless violence for no good reason. So I agree, it deserves a harsh punishment.

But everyone keeps calling it murder. Not every killing is a murder. I also want to challenge people to watch their language. Murder carries with it an intent to kill. A shove does not intend death, regardless of who is being shoved. No, it shouldn't have happened, yes, it's tragic, but it was not a murder.

Now, all of you calling for 20+ years, really think about what you're saying. Do you think this person has no chance of rehabilitation? Those are the people we put away for life. I don't think that's the case here. She fucked up. Obviously. She deserves to be punished harshly, and make no mistake, she is. 8.5 years is a LONG time. Think back to where you were 8.5 years ago. Were you the same person? I doubt it. Now, do you think she might better herself in those 8.5 years? I think it's very likely, though again, the prison industrial complex makes that less guaranteed.

Sentences have many goals. Some of the primary goals are punishment, protection of the public, and rehabilitation of the defendant. Does this sentence punish her? Yes, a lot. Does this sentence give her a chance for rehabilitation? I'm not sure on that one, but that's because it may, if anything, be too long, and cause her to get too used to life in prison, and increase her likelihood of recidivism. But that's not her fault, that's the fault of the prison industry. Does this sentence protect the public? I say yes. She lost her temper once and it's now going to cost her 9 years of her life (if you include the duration of the case). That's a hell of an incentive not to repeat.

Alright, I think that's all I really want to say. But please, everyone, in the future, try to think about how our prison system really works, and how much you support it, when you're discussing individual crimes, not just when you're talking about the system as a whole. I think most people on this site lean left, and therefore should support reducing the prison populations, but this comment section has me worried with everyone here frothing at the mouth to give MORE prison time, when the sentenced amount should be enough to satisfy our sentencing goals.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I got one off etsy, it's just 3d printed. Works fairly well, but the floss can get a little loose towards the end. But it's easy enough to fix.

Not quite as convenient as the individual picks, but FAR less waste. A trade off I'm happy to make.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The Civil Rights Act was passed in large part because of it. Is your argument that the Civil Rights Act changed nothing? Because that's silly. Or were you just not thinking, and trying to score internet points? Because that's also silly. You're being silly.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My understanding is that it was created in response to a ton of Musk spam which was primarily positive, when he was first emerging as a popular figure. People got fed up with hearing about him, and started Enough Musk Spam to point out how absolutely terrible he actually is.

Nowadays, there's much less positive Musk news, so it feels more like a misnomer. But it was started as an attempt to highlight how bad he is. Seems to have worked a bit, tbh.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I don't have one yet, but it's on my list and I'm curious: what is it about it that makes you actually finish games?

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Criminal defense attorney here, confirming this is correct in at least every jurisdiction I'm aware of.

But as always, it's best to contact a lawyer in the same jurisdiction of the court to know for sure.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, here's my fun fact: Alaska is the farthest North, East, and West state in the U.S.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

See, e.g., the war on "drugs"

The GOP has been working towards making the US a dictatorship since the 60s. We passed the civil rights act and the right was so appalled that they had to treat people of color like, well, people, that they've been coming up with new ways to ensure progress never happens again ever since.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Hi, I'm a lawyer. While I work in a different area of law and therefore can't speak too in depth about this with certainty, if their terms are as enforceable as the linked articles seem to indicate, then yes, this is good advice.

As always with the law, things may vary by jurisdiction. If you have specific questions, contact a lawyer in your area.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You have the right to request access to inspect the personal information a company stores on you. At least, in the US. And I believe the UK and EU as well but I can't speak as much to those.

If you want to be truly terrified (or enlightened, however you prefer to think of it), pick any big company that you've used and request all the data they have stored on you. The amount of data they'll have is STAGGERING. Certainly hundreds of pages, possibly thousands. It's insane.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Sounds like someone needs to google en passant.

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