SinAdjetivos
Stats. Facts. Stop gish galloping and ad homenen-ing.
You can pick another of the arguments I made if you'd preferable.
My thesis is "the general population is too scared for effective resistance" nothing I have said is contradictory to that.
You keep moving the goalpost and going on tangents. Would you like to directly answer any the claims I've posted?
Find any stats on police killings that support your views?
Okay, I wanted to drop this because bucket seemed to be spinning out pretty hard after getting his world view repeatedly fact checked and proven repeatedly wrong, but I'm a big fan of treating others the way they want to treat others and this sort of conspiracy theory nonsense is 100% some "bullshit that needs to be thrown back in their faces"
So are you going to engage at all with the material of the conversation or are you just going to spread conspiracy theories because the worldview being expressed isn't your own?
Lol, I definitely didn't interpret you coming in hot at all. I made the mistake of engaging in on a few other 'hot button' threads the last couple of days and you have been, by far, the most pleasant, insightful and willing to engage in good faith. It's very much appreciated <3.
Action for action's sake just makes everyone tired and unable to act when it's necessary. I'm not advocating "doing nothing" I'm advocating for intentionality, thoughtfulness, a hefty dose of cynicism and acting out of evidence instead of idealism.
I'm not saying don't vote, I'm saying be realistic about what it can and cannot accomplish. The reason I often end up in these sorts of conversations is due to the common trend of people refusing to engage or help those directly in front of them because of some variation of 'they voted for things to be different' and so feel entitled to not get their hands dirty as well as a smug "not my problem, I did my part" or "that problem has already been solved, it's just not fully implemented". In either case it often leads to them being an active barrier to helping others and intentionally choosing to harm others. Which makes even doing small things like providing food, first aid, escape etc. sooooo much harder than it needs to be.
The problem though is it doesn't matter how many individual fires you put out, it doesn't scale up and doesn't affect the root cause of any of them and that's what I was replying "I don't have a good answer to" to. Especially since each individual problem is probably going to end up needing a different approach.
So until we can figure out how to turn off the 'light everything on fire machine' it seems like we're pretty aligned on putting out fires where we can, when we can. Keep fighting the good fight, and good luck!
The messaging I'm seeing (and assuming that it is what you're referencing) doesn't seem to be arguing against "resistance" it's arguing against "performative resistance". If you don't understand the difference between the two I can definitely see why that would come across as demotivating.
Personally that same messaging you are finding demotivating gives me lots of hope in the future as there seems to be an upswelling of desire to actually fix things and coming to terms with the scope and reality of the situation.
It's bad. The work to fix the last 50+ years of buried/ignored problems is a monumental amount of work, but facing it head on means that we can start making progress instead of just leaving it to pile up further and to get worse.
Hoping this "bot-farm"s perspective helps a bit with the whole "hopeless and helpless" feeling.
What is the argument you are trying to make with repeating that?
Is your argument that was a massive blow to the material holdings of US law enforcement? There are 17,985 police agencies in the US, we'll pretend they only have one station per agency (that's a gross underestimate, the Minneapolis 3rd precinct should make that clear...) then 0.000056% of police precincts were burnt down during the protests. I would argue a number that small is negligible.
Is your argument that a burnt down precinct is a form of justice that was achieved? There were ~1200 police killings in 2020. If that is your argument, then only 0.083% of people murdered that year got justice, much less any from previous/subsequent years.
I actually don't think that's accurate.
Here's another source you're turn, shop around a bit see if you can find anyone who publishes a number that agrees with you. Nobody agrees with your speculation.
We need to talk about unjustified killings.
This is a uniquely American problem. Either 'Americans are just soooo unbelievably violent and deadly that they must be put down like the rabid dogs they are' or something else is going on. Please stop insinuating people like George Floyd are rabid dogs that need to be put down.
You could literally do whatever you wanted.
It's a nice idea, but not how any of that works because we don't live in anything like a true confederation.
no-trial no-warrant neo-Gestapo
98% of criminal cases in the US already don't get a trial. If we're going to talk about the George Floyd protests we should talk about Breanna Taylor and the fraudulent warrant that led to her death.
ICE is something different.
And worse. I agree, but it's a continuation of, and supported by, the same police you are claiming are "fixed". ICE cannot operate effectively without direct LEO support.
I'm saying that is an important factor, yes.
We're in a de facto vs. de jure argument.
Nazis in Poland; de facto I agree with you. De jure not so much. It was an apartheid system where (depending in when in the timeline) Jews, Poles and Blacks had a distinct set of rights that were routinely violated.
US legal system; de jure I agree with you. De facto not so much. The US has a looooong history of blatant rights violations and use of black sites (GTMO, Homan square, Camp Kościuszko etc.). The specific things your referencing is a relic from the Obama era (article from 2014 talking about legislation from 2012) .
My annoyance comes from the conflating of de facto vs de jure and then picking which one you focus on depending on what scenario best boosters your claim and not realizing de facto =/= de jure.
That's not to say it isn't fucked up, but that pining for the old days of law and order isn't what you think it is. 'return to status quo' is not a fix.