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'Fun' (not fun, horrible) detail about slavery vs genocide. During the holocaust, some capitalists saw all these people in concentration camps as nice business opportunity and convinced the nazis to sell them slaves to work in some factories. These people were basically beaten to death because they didn't work fast enough. (because they were hungry). So the statement is a bit counterfactual here (also, another point for 'capitalists would gladly work with genocidal fascists' for the people keeping score (also for any Jordan Peterson fans this will come as a big shock (he, as self proclaimed expert on this subject, famously said that the nazis were more evil than people thought because they didn't work the Jewish people to death)). For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monowitz_concentration_camp

but even in ancient Greece and Rome there existed some legal protections for slaves

Evidence for this is the comments we have from Athenians on the Spartans who they considered to be exceptionally cruel and bad re the treatment of their slaves. At least that is what I remember from reading Bret Devereaux blog.

Anyway, it feels really weird that ER (wait, I shouldn't abbreviate eigenrobot to that, that is the name of an anti-semitic youtuber), imagines some moment in time when there was no slavery where it had to be invented (see also the weird modern fetishization of inventions we have), which feels to me like inventing a period before we could lift our left arm upwards. And then also conflating all various forms of slavery with chattel slavery (as you mentioned) is just fucking silly. Reasoning from first principles because nobody in your community is a history expert.

E: Got distracted so forgot to mention two other things on why ER is dumb here. First of al it was in some slave taking customs the tradition to castrate slaves (the arab slave trade iirc), so that would still be a genocide with extra steps. And third, even if they didn't castrate people, taking away a whole community in chains, and enslaving them so they stop being that community/culture is still a form of genocide. A genocide is not just 'kill all X'.

Also reminder that ER has a checkmark, and that he prob is doing this for the attention so he can get some of Musks declining cash supplies, so don't interact, and just block. (I at least use an adblocker so I don't see any ads, but I doubt this will stop Musk from charging the advertisers for the blocked ads I don't get to see).

If I had a dollar for every time it turned out some poller influencer went off on the deep end I would have two dollars, not much but etc. In the Netherlands we have a similar type of guy called Maurice de Hond, who also got famous for doing polls (which often slightly differed from other polls) but he has gone quite nutty nowadays, a man I knew who turned into an anti-vaxer was a big fan. (The Hond is also one of those 'I talked about polarization and nobody listened to me!' guys when he has been a regular person on the Dutch TV for ages, thankfully Nate doesn't seem that bad).

Strange how generating a slightly different type of poll causes people to go off into contrarian/bad epistemology land.

E: Me : "doesn't seem that bad" a few moments later A wild bsky skeet arrives (on why this sucks see this thread)

Live from Pauls office

Yes, the CEO was born in 1988, the 14th month.

E: yes im just joking here, the CEO is actually one of those prime examples of the American dream working out. Fled the USSR with his fam, became extremely wealthy making shit etc.

'the fact is they are right about some things'

Yes, which is a thing we agree on, as Rationalwiki says "The good bits are not original and the original bits are not good", problem is that none of the things mentioned before their last statement hold up. We don't know 1 is possible. (Also note that 1 isn't just 1, but actually 5+ points).

Anyway unhinged reddit DM's are always something.

e: eurgh, looked into their post history. They are into making AI porn games. Also they are quite dumb., yes lets ask the magical AI if a thing is true. Ah turns out it told me that OpenAI is the greatest company in the world and there have been no controversies ever. (They also have some opinions about jewish people and trans people in the sinfest subreddit)

Excel is a game.

Which is funny, as creating new levels in an interesting way is very hard. What made John Romero great is that he was very good at level design. He made it look easy. People have been making new levels for ages but only few of them are good. (Of course also because you cannot recreate the experience of playing doom for the first time, so new experiences will need to be 'my house' levels of complexity.

The poison floor not hurting the player trapping him forever was a good thing to end on.

There certainly is a pattern of people who used to be helpful and productive in the past who then turn into edgelords in the community later, and nobody dares to go after them because past achievements pattern.

Lol, of course the edgelords (I think there were 2, not really clear to me atm) have Dutch names. Typisch. Anyway, we tech people really need to learn that being good in tech, and getting tech changes approved is different from being good at modern community management and avoiding the pitfalls of those.

Least controversial libertarian. (At least they picked slavery and not ... well you know).

Turns out the story is even weirder, Durov wasn't always a 'everything is allowed' free speech guy. Iran must be defended