No worries, Dan Jeannotte has it covered.
StillPaisleyCat
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I’m not attributing anything here. You’re arguably the one clinging to your head canon.
I’m an older person who was around to hear other OG fans complain about this ‘alternate universe/timeline for TNG’ theory in the late 1980s. And to see how the Great Bird himself responded.
Roddenberry went on the record saying that the timeline had to adjust to always keep the show’s future as a possible future for the audience. He defended the shift in the timing of WW3.
Goldsman, who has been a fan longer than almost any of his detractors, would have heard this more than I did. Goldsman organized one of the very first clubs and fanzines as a preteen, and attended the first ever convention in New York City.
Roddenberry himself was adamant that Star Trek’s history had to remain a possible history for viewers. So, the dates can slip as long as the major events don’t.
That is why he put WW3 later than implied by TOS, delaying it to the mid 21st century in the TNG pilot ‘Encounter at Farpoint’ even though that led to a contingent of TOS fans insisting that it ‘had to be a separate universe from the one of the original series.’
While writers never explicitly resolved this onscreen during the Berman Era shows, preferring to weasel with offscreen head canon in interviews saying that perhaps the Eugenics Wars were covert and going on unknown in the 90s, the new shows have dealt with this problem head on by acknowledging that temporal incursions do affect the timing of major events without making it a separate timeline.
SNW and Prodigy have been able to make this clear onscreen in canon with the expert help of the franchise’s excellent physicist science advisor Dr. Erin Macdonald. (She did her PhD with the team in Scotland that got the Noble prize just a couple of years later. She’s truly on top of modern theoretical physics.)
McCoy was in Encounter at Farpoint with one meta purpose - to counter the TOS fans that were campaigning hard to say that it ‘wasn’t the same universe.’
McCoy’s presence was a nice Easter Egg, but not much more. But he did the job of saying that it was the new Enterprise in continuity with the legendary ship on which he served.
Fans argued that because Roddenberry insisted on moving WW3 back to the mid 21st century as of Encounter at Farpoint, TNG had to be a different timeline.
TOS fans understood the Eugenics Wars to be the precursor to WW3, so they just didn’t accept WW3 was going to be another half-century away. Roddenberry’s directive was to always keep the Star Trek future in our future so WW3 had to be shifted to later in time and any specific mention of the date of the Eugenics Wars was avoided.
They also hated the carpet and many other things about the ‘luxury hotel in space’ Enterprise.
Yup, that happened and continued to happen until well into TNG season 3. The brigading Berman-era fans who rail unrelentingly against ‘Nu-Trek’ don’t sound any different, they’re just more visible than the 1980s fans that relied on mimeoed fanzines and Usenet. Fans that liked TNG kept quiet at cons until at least 1990, and vendors didn’t bring TNG merchandise.
No need to fuss about calendars. Just need to revisit Dr. Macdonald’s Temporal Mechanics 101.
There have been several temporal incursions since the DS9 crew did theirs - Voyager, Picard, SNW and Prodigy, not to mention the rippling effects of the Temporal Wars established in Enterprise and Discovery.
Dates and details can slip as long as the major events stay more or less the same.
From what I can tell Americans used to use scales for dry measures (in ounces) but somewhere along the line, they switched to volume measures for everything.
As a Canadian, it’s really frustrating because often will get the American versions of UK cookbooks here which are both not metric and not weights.
I enjoy my Australian cookbooks with metric weights.
Cook in metric and use a scale!
If anything, Lower Decks has intentionally lifted some 7-note sequences from the TAS title theme.
The title theme for Lower Decks almost does a bait and switch riff of the TAS one.
Yea that was TOS.
Glad to have you. You should be warned though that this crew has already sucked in meme-lookers into watch the show and becoming fans.
As I was sucked in by the kid across the hall with a colour tv back in 1965, I can attest to the risk of wondering “What’s that pointy-eared guy doing with his hand on that monster?”
I couldn’t resist. Glad you appreciated it, and that new Neelix image is all the thanks I needed.
By the way, in the meantime, I have done some more research only to discover that there are in fact TWO Earth root vegetables that are already viable as hydroponic crops: red radishes and beets.
The idea that Leola root is a cross between radish and beet is now firmly fixed in my mind.
@Nmyownworld@startrek.website spotted Murf in the poster in the promotional announcement for Star Trek Day.
Nmyownworld’s mention on the Star Trek Day thread was great, but I thought it would be great to amplify it. So here is the image with the colour intensity dialed up a bit and Murf circled to be easier to spot.
StarTrek Prodigy Lives!!!
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The TAS-era Kzinti, relentless, refuse to concede their 1970s hot pink and purple to any Earther
(startrek.website)
What can I say, all that pink and purple just seems to be meant to be together.
Credit again to Trek Core for their excellent TAS BlueRay screencap library.
Editing to add: love Barbie, pleased to see the movie out earning most of the comic heroes, always glad that TAS and Prodigy make themselves appealing across genders.
It was the old form. Other than BC, the old postal short forms were 3 or 4 letters.
BC
Alta
Sask
Man
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Que
NB
NS
PEI
Nfld
The 2-letter acronyms came up from the United States relatively recently.