TheGyattsMustBeCrazy

better FBI interception perhaps

I do remember in high school a lot of secular girls went to those youth group meetings to meet guys who wouldn't try to sleep with them. Wonder if participation from those girls has shot down too in light of evangelicals' embrace of Trump, and if that has heightened the bitterness.

It's kind of like my girlfriend's dad too, who keeps talking about how women are emasculating men, refers to gays with the f-slur, but will also shout while watching that Tim Allen show that it is too sexist.

Yeah I don't think the women who have been able to get degrees and PMC careers while remaining conservative Christians, thanks to feminism, are able to fully reconcile the parts of their beliefs that give them meaning with the fact that its overarching philosophy and its outcomes can only serve to protect corrupt men while shaming/blaming their victims. But a lot of these women are also too educated and too aware of their capabilities to ever want to cede the rights they've gained, which is why they call the tradwives of TikTok grifters. They even call the sexist pastors "theobros."

I don't think they consciously do, but subconsciously I think a lot of lib/left men are afraid of wading into that corner of the internet and getting spammed/harassed/written off. Part of that is that such men typically recite talking points and arguments provided by women and sometimes detached from the theory-of-mind of how to frame arguments to be received by misanthropic chud men, so they get written off/steamrolled faster.

I think back to how Stone Cold Steve Austin's very profanity-filled redneck-sounding tirade supporting gay marriage probably moved the needle for its acceptance more than a ton of "Love is Love" stuff at the time that just doesn't hit with some people, even repels them. Most of the men I've seen who boldly push back against misogynistic myths about women "hitting the wall," body counts, men dating down etc. in the lions dens of inceldom/redpill shit are actually evopsych STEMlords like Slate Star Codex. Idk if leftists think we're over that shit or what but we should start doing it again undeterred.

Oddly I saw a lot of women who were retweeting LibsOfTikTok/JK Rowling/racist shit about "dysgenics" on one hand while fiercely bashing conservative influencers for chiding women for not doing housework/"hitting the wall" on the other. I think a lot of the transphobic/anti-Muslim influencers also have cross-partisan appeal with some of the stuff they write, and fear monger on those issues to drive wedges between people who are actually pretty aligned on gender/economic politics. Furthermore some of the most anti-black men/women stuff was being retweeted by conservative black people of the opposite gender.

Thanks!

I would say that the only difference now is that if a critical amount of men who profess to share evangelical values end up being cultural tourists who just want to mete out abuse and neglect to women, the women who actually want to raise children in a productive household may evolve their views or expand their horizons when looking for a partner.

I remember going on a date with a conservative nurse who was talking about how her ex could not finish during sex because he watched too much porn, and she straight up said "I'm not a feminist or anything, but women to some men are like, basically objects!" I wonder of this abrupt outsized influx of low value uncompromising men might actually steer Christian/conservative women to look elsewhere for companionship, provided the non-trad and more liberal men boldly and sincerely present themselves and their beliefs.

A lot of the simple minded view on dating is that women want men who are coercive or restrictive, when I think most women just want a man with mettle and a backbone about their worldview, and it's just that the archetype of current self-identified liberal male feminists are men who seem pandering/performative about their libertine values, and can't stop tweeting about how slayqueen Kamala Harris looks.

I agree, it was a devil's bargain to bring these people into their fold through astroturfing shit like Fresh N Fit. I also feel like more left leaning equality minded men should be unapologetically espousing their beliefs in their ideal equitable relationship and support for women and not be cowed by fears of being called a simp, which I believe they are because even the best of us have internalized toxic masculinity.