UraniumBlazer

You could reduce any fact to an unknown with that type of troll reasoning.

Sorry that I came across as a troll. That was not my intent.

You can never know anything for a fact but you can get pretty damn close, and you absolutely can rule out anything that contradicts.

Lmao this statement itself is a contradiction. You first say how "you can never know anything for sure" in regards to descriptive statements about reality. Then, in the same statement, you make a statement relating to the laws of logic (which by the way are descriptive statements about reality) and say that you are absolutely sure of this statement.

Serious answer though - the scientific method is based on a couple of axioms. Assuming that these axioms are true, yes, you can be absolutely sure about the nature of things.

The idea that an LLM could gain consciousness contradicts the fact they lack memory and the ability to learn/grow.

You lack the understanding of how LLMs work. Please see how neural networks specifically work. They do learn and they do have memory. In fact, memory is the biggest reason why you can't run ChatGPT on your smartphone.

They're called machine learning but all the learning happens before they deploy.

Untrue. Please learn how machine learning works.

Yes, I read what you posted and answered accordingly. Only, I didn't spend enough time dumbing it down further. So let me dumb it down.

Your main objection was the simplicity of the goal of LLMs- predicting the next word that occurs. Somehow, this simplistic goal makes the system stupid.

In my reply, I first said that self awareness occurs naturally after a system becomes more and more intelligent. I explained the reason as to why. I then went on to explain how a simplistic terminal goal has nothing to do with actual intelligence. Hence, no matter how stupid/simple a terminal goal is, if an intelligent system is challenged enough and given enough resources, it will develop sentience at a given point in time.

Bruv almost all your sources are from some "Qiao Collective". If you read their about page, the very first line says, "Qiao Collective is a diaspora Chinese media collective challenging U.S. aggression on China." We can definitely trust them to provide objectively correct information, right? /s

Your very first source is CGTN, the Chinese State News.

You (not you particularly, but tankies in general) flail around a lot about western propaganda but forget that others have their respective propaganda as well. Especially the Chinese. They have literally firewalled their entire goddamn country. You can link Chinese State propaganda freely, and I can access it without censorship. Can the Chinese do the same for western news? No, thanks to the great firewall.

"Intelligence" - The attribute that makes a system propose and modify algorithms autonomously to achieve a certain terminal goal.

The intelligence of a system has nothing to do with the terminal goal. The magnitude of intelligence merely tells us how well the system works in accordance with the terminal goal.

Being self aware is merely a step in the direction of being more and more intelligent. If a system requires interaction with its surroundings, it needs to be able to recognise that it itself is different from its environment.

You are such an intelligent system as well. It's just that instead of having one terminal goal, you have many terminal goals (some may change with time while some might not).

You (this intelligent system) exist in a biological structure. You are nothing but data encoded in a biological form factor, with algorithms that execute through biological processes. If this data and these algorithms are executed on a non biological form factor, would it be any different from you?

LLMs work on some principles that our brains work on as well. Can you see how my point above applies?

Anyway you're correct that a chinese journalist wouldnt be restricted to film and report because they likely wouldnt be let into the US. But if they were i have no doubt theyd be monitered by the CIA at every point of their visit.

Evidence please. I have no doubt that I am an alien as well.

Also muslim countries arent against slavery? Brother the US isnt against slavery. Why do you think its prison population is higher than the population of many entire countries?

Agreed. Fuck the US. But does the US being shitty justify others being shitty as well?

As for videographic evidence, im in class rn and dont really have time to go looking, the original comment i made is something i copy paste because i got tired of writing it all out

Ahh np. Take your time.

I have no idea about the Falun Gong fellow. I haven't heard claims of organ harvesting before. So I don't care about Falun Gong. I'm talking about Vice here. Vice's journalistic freedoms were being trampled upon by the CCP here.

As for Chinese journalists, no, they would not be restricted to film and report stuff in the US. Please provide videographic evidence if you disagree.

Edit: Also about the population of the Muslim countries - what about slavery? They don't seem to be so much against that either.

How do you define "thinking"? Thinking is nothing but computation. Execution of a formal or informal algorithm. By this definition, calculators "think" as well.

This entire "AI can't be self conscious" thing stems from human exceptionalism in my opinion. You know... "The earth is the center of the universe", "God created man to enjoy the fruits of the world" and so on. We just don't want to admit that we aren't anything more than biological neural networks. Now, using these biological neural networks, we are producing more advanced inorganic neural networks that will very soon surpass us. This scares us and stokes up a little existential dread in us. Understandable, but not really useful...

It isn't. The self aware thing is coming after the LLM has referenced itself as "I" many times (when doing so wasn't really that necessary). Watch Fireship's video on this.

Your brain is just a biological system that works somewhat like a neural net. So according to your statement, you too are nothing more than an auto complete machine.

You have provided a descriptive statement. Descriptive statements should come with scientific evidence. What evidence do you have to support your orchestra analogy? Or is it just your hypothesis?

Spoiler alert: It is just your hypothesis, as you would've won a Nobel had you managed to generate evidence explaining consciousness in further detail.

Many like to point at the Chinese room experiment to show how LLMs imitate consciousness rather than being conscious. They however forget, that our brains are Chinese rooms too in this regard, in that they learn how to provide the best responses to external stimuli while remaining blackboxes (at least for current tech).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BFJ5zXjdD5U&pp=ygUNdmljZSBVeWdodXJzIA%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ&pp=ygUMdmljZSB1eWdodXJz

Here are two instances of investigative journalism into Xinjiang by Vice. If the Chinese had nothing to hide, why the hostility towards journalists? Why are they being followed by CCP agents? Or is Vice far right too now?

There are countless interviews of Uighur Muslims who fled the area detailing their experiences there. Kids are being separated from the parents to be put in "Kindergartens" (the Chinese version of Canadian residential schools).

As for the Muslim countries- do you really think undemocratic monarchies/ dictators give two shits about their fellow Muslims? The slave labor that has built the UAE and Saudi Arabia's infrastructure involves Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, who are all Muslim. Or is slave labor in Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar evil western propaganda too?

Hi Yami!