bastion

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[–] bastion@feddit.nl -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, precise circumstances matter.

For nitrogen asphyxiation in general, you do not have to be calm and cooperative for it to be painless, any more than you do so to stand in a room or sit in a chair.

As to the specific setup that the government chose, I can't vouch for that.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

It doesn't mean thousands of litres per second to do it properly. A mask or helmet could be considered a poor tool for the job, though, because they are easier to fight/struggle with, and the person could hurt themselves in the process of that.

You need the normal level of air replacement for any given volume with a human in it, but you need to be using nitrogen as the source of air replacement. If you want to speed the process up, you could do 1x space volume/minute for a couple minutes, then drop it down to a normal rate of replacement.

Choosing a larger volume will not make it painful, but it will make it slower unless you increase the flow. But slower is not bad, per se, except that since it's an execution, faster is possibly more merciful (depending on the person's preference) because the person has less time to sit there and contemplate the fact of their death.

The suicide pods are pretty much the ideal balance of space taken. For an execution, perhaps a small room with a chair, and a somewhat faster nitrogen replacement rate (like, 60 volumes/h for the first two minutes, then 5 volumes/h after that).

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But that's not a problem with nitrogen asphyxiation, that's stupid human implementation.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Ah. Well, if nitrogen asphyxiation is done right (a proper mask, or better, total immersion), cooperation is only necessary for the painlessness in the same sense that walking down a hallway or sitting in a chair requires your cooperation - if you smash your head against a wall, or pick up a chair and smash it and hurt yourself in the process, for example, it's not painless.

As far as a person's struggle to live - yeah, no shame in fighting for it.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think that if you're a robot boop capable of enough complexity (including having a tendency towards dynamically stable emotive field states), and can interface with a body and society well enough to remain comparatively indistinguishable from a human, that makes you human, right? beep anyways, time is relative, right?

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

Then that's not simply killing him with nitrogen gas. But the better method is:

  • A mostly enclosed cask with one exit, just large enough to prevent pressure buildup (vented to the exterior, since we probably don't want the whole room to be the same thing)
  • solid nitrogen flow in

..that is all. If they're fucking it up, it's on them.

..that is all.

But also, even when completely unconscious, complex living things with a central nervous system (including people) tend to flop when they die.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No, they don't need to cooperate. If you struggle and thrash, no matter how you die, you'll endure the struggle and thrashing.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah. The suicide pods are a good example. There's enough space in them that the person won't experience CO2 buildup in the short amount of time it takes.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 0 points 2 days ago

Yeah. This is the thing.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah. Pretty fucked system.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unless they are pressurizing the space the guy is in, nitrogen will just make you black out, without suffering (other than the human knowledge that you are about to die, but that exists with all methods).

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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by bastion@feddit.nl to c/whatisthisthing@lemmy.world
 

This awful creature was, according to my partner, found under or black walnut tree, attached to or emerging from the neck of a very-recently killed bunny that the dog had (killed within the last ~15m). Any idea what it is? More pics available.

It's not smooth like a slug/leech, but has a textured surface. It looks like a grub, but what would a grub be doing attached to a bunny? It has an obvious mouth and anus. She described the mouth part as "hexagonal", which she saw open while it was alive, coming off of or out of the Bunny's neck (it was in or by by a wound it didn't necessarily inflict).

I think it's probably just congealed evil and should be thrown into a fire, along with everything it touched except the puppy, and that's how it's going to get me.

My opinion is obviously tongue-in-cheek, but what is this really?

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