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I feel like this is getting down voted mostly for the picture. TL;DR: Young people might not have wisdom/experience, but they have a clearer view if morality, and in their protests they focus on the real issues, while the media focus on their protests rather than the issues they protest

It worked super well for me (a month or so ago). Had to find the multireddit link on the website, but then it all worked out well in here

Was ist denn der Ansatz?

I fully agree. I just think that the economic situations have been getting more and more precarious for lots of people, meaning getting to a modest amount moves further into the distance. I truly believe that we'll have more people championing climate change issues if we put them in positions where fulfilling their own needs is easier

By changing the system to give them better options and easier choices. It depends on why they don't care or know, of course. I'm assuming a low SES here, where there's little energy to inform yourself or change, different strategies should be used for other groups, like more education in schools, etc

You're right, that is also an effort, though I think it's one that our current situations make easier, given the amount of free information and the ubiquity of smartphones. Still, I see your point.

On the idea of consuming less resources being a waste of resources: Every one of us has a limited amount of mental energy. Most of us have to spend a lot of that on making a living. If we want to live perfectly moral lives, we can expend the rest of it doing that. But then that is the only thing we will change in the world. On the other hand, if we spend that energy on reforming policy and inspiring societal change, we may have further reaching effects. I don't think the former is necessarily the more moral choice, though it definitely is a moral one. In an ideal world, we'd all do both of course

Not an unfair point, I grant you. I'd say that while a single vote is a small drop as well, it also requires much less effort of someone, whereas changing your life consistently every single day in ways that are difficult and unpleasant is a lot more to ask. I'd say it's a matter of effort vs. reward

Fair, I should have made the effort to use "poor" in quotations, too. I love the idea of mutual aid working that way. I guess I'd be worried about relying on it for anything as potentially life-or-death as healthcare, but that's a few steps further down the line than we're discussing here

I don't believe that we can defeat polluting corporations by not buying their products simply because we can't completely buying products - many people aren't in positions to be choosy and often the same companies own the "good" product that do the bad. We need the support of the government to be able to influence these giant corporations with regulations and taxes on pollution

I'd agree with your politics there, too. The poorer you make yourself, the more likely you are to live a moral life. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to also make it a good, comfortable, safe life, and I think it's a bit much to ask people to go that much against their own interests. (This varies from country to country of course, I'm sure there's places where you'd be ok)

I'm all in favour of everyone deciding this for themselves. Every person acting ethically is a good thing.

What I disagree with is people pushing other people to act ethically in the same ways when the impact is so small and their activism could focus on much bigger fish