cinnamonTea

Speaking from a US point of view, society is often structured in such a way that a lot of the solutions you offer are made significantly difficult for consumers, especially with lower income.

• sure, it'd be healthiest and best for the planet to eat vegan and cook at home, but if you have half an hour a day to find food you'll buy what's right there
• of course it's be healthiest to walk and bike wherever you need to go, and best for the planet to use public transport when you can't, but again, if you work two jobs far away, you do not have the luxury to consider these options. These people you can't convince by giving them even more work to do in their already full and arduous days. You convince them by giving them better options and taking the rich people to task more, proportionally to their strain on society.

People simply aren't well-enough off to be able to look beyond their own experience and want to improve the world as well. I think that's why we need to champion worker's rights as a big part of the push towards all this, too

I feel like this is the option that is most discussed in public discourse, which is the problem. If we discuss climate change through the lense of "Why don't people bike, since driving is bad for the planet?" rather than "What structural changes (bike lanes, public transit, car-free city centers, etc.) can we offer to encourage people to cycle more?" or even "What are the biggest transport-related emissions (private jets, flying in fresh fruit from halfway across the world, using trucks for shipping, etc.) and how can we work as a society to eliminate them?", then people will feel disenfranchised, and even if we all started cycling it wouldn't help nearly as much as if we tackled the bigger corporate issues. It's neither pragmatic nor fair to focus on individual action at the scale of single consumers.

I think it's more a matter of going after someone randomly punching people in the face every now and then when there's mass shootings and stuff even worse going on would be a bad use of resources, even though of course the person punching people is morally in the wrong. Similarly, encouraging people to reduce waste and cycle more is not a good use of resources, when companies are burning coal and rich people take their private jets everywhere.

Can't believe I didn't see that... Thank you so much!

I haven't been able to find the place where posts and comments are saved in the voyager app. Where do you find them?

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.adh2458#F1 has the plot of what the boundaries are and which are how messed up.