jsomae

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Since what happens on Lemmy stays on Lemmy, I guess it must be fine.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

yeah but he's a daddy tho 😘

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yeah I agree that AI is going to kill us, but I don't think it's the environmental impact from AI that is a serious concern. Google's numbers are that their water usage is equivalent to 55 golf courses (there are nearly 1k golf courses in california) -- that's their whole company, not just AI. And as for power usage, they're about equal to the city of Toronto -- that's a lot, but they're already building nuclear power plants, so that seems like a net positive for environmental impact to me. We won't need to burn coal if they are selling bone-aching ad-driven nuclear power as a side hustle on their AI business. (I'm speculating they would do this, but it seems like something they'd do.) I hate ads but I'll take ads over fossil fuels.

I most likely hate AI as much as you do, so you know, I am not stubbornly resistant to the idea that they might be bad for the environment. This is just what my research indicates, that they're not a serious environmental concern. You can change my mind if you have a different perspective -- I mean this earnestly. I'm all ears.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I don't know of anyone out there who opposes AI for purely environmental reasons but approves of its societal impact. I could be wrong. But I think a lot of us don't really believe that it has much impact on the environment. The numbers are quantifiable -- and it's pretty small compared to other things. It could become a problem with exponential growth, but like, is it that big a deal if we end up with nuclear power? And all the water being used as coolant comes from, say, Virginia, where as I understand it they have no dearth of water and that's where most of the datacentres are being built?

I'm not saying that the it being soulless slop is a hard fact. I'm saying the whole fuck-ai crowd agrees on this, as do I. But I don't think we all agree about the environmental impact being a serious concern (since the evidence for this is, in my view, questionable; and I suspect this is the opinion of others here as well.)

 

Seems like over the last week everyone in this community is talking about how the real reason AI is bad is because it is destroying the planet. Does this even matter though? AI is bad for so many other reasons. It's destroying art. It's destroying Hollywood. It's removing jobs from the workforce, and it's concentrating power and money. And ontop of all that, it produces only soulless slop.

We have a good front line there. We can rally around those points.

When you try to bring questionable objections like power an water usage onto the table, it just makes our front-line look weaker, since opponents can easily pick these arguments apart. "Sure it's a lot of power, but this will lead to nuclear power, which is a net win environmentally." Or, "a single AI query consumes 2 litres of water?? You mean milliliters, and it's just going to rain from the sky, and nobody is putting big datacentres in California anyway, and that's only 1/6th of the amount of water it takes to grow an almond." Or "yeah, google alone uses as much power as the entire city of Toronto, but Toronto uses green power; so what?"

And yes, we all have counter-arguments to these -- "how to deal with nuclear waste?" and "only a fraction of rain water is collected as potable water" and "almonds may take more water than AI but almonds are still bad" and "there are some datacentres in California" and so on but the deeper these arguments go the harder it is to maintain a stable front.

Can we all just admit that this environmental angle is a red herring? I could almost believe it's a psy-op intended to discredit the anti-AI crowd. Even if the environmental impact of AI is bad, I still think it's worse for our cause to focus on the environmental aspect than the other aspects. The world has already decided it doesn't care about the environment.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 26 points 17 hours ago (9 children)

How about let's all not talk or make angry memes about the guy. Ross requested that he not be harassed. Something about not wanting negative energy.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How much energy does AI really use? (zdnet) Seems like queries aren't that expensive, so I guess the enormous energy cost of AI must be mostly from training. I reckon this is why apologists try to minimize it.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm skeptical that those 4k developers are using their entire GPU for 8 hours a day. I would be surprised if even 10% of the ~~brain~~ GPU was being used. Though there are CI servers running ontop of that, but typically much fewer than there are developers. I would estimate 5 GWh as a liberal upper bound.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems more like "putting things in scale" than "whataboutism." I'm not sure I agree with the premise, but I don't think it's whataboutism at all. Whataboutism would be "it's fine, because something else is worse," whereas I think the commenter is trying to say "it's not much, since it's less than something else that isn't much either."

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Don't listen to them.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

some day I hope to be brave enough to post pictures of my house on the internet

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago

He's a science guy.

 

Curious if any women have tried taking T. I'm much younger than her but I've been feeling some of the symptoms she's talked about a lot, and I'm wondering if T might help. But obviously I'm worried about the effects of it.

Not looking for medical advice, just curious about other people's experiences.

 

I'm really loving Pedro Pascal these days.

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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by jsomae@lemmy.ml to c/WomensStuff@lazysoci.al
 

This is an inclusive community for all things women. Whether you’re here for make up tips, feminism or just friendly chit chat, we’ve got you covered.

I feel like men can do all of those things, so I don't see why we are excluding them. Just because it's a women-centric community doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed. I think we should exclude people who are bigoted instead, or even people who just don't "get" women's issues.

Aside: I'm personally irritated that make-up is what's considered a woman-centric topic. That's kind of reductive -- not everyone is femme.

 

I changed the title from "Spying" to "Eavesdropping" because the article actually directly supports that it is "spying" on you, just not listening.

 

Hi, I'm a canadian woman. This community, well, caught my eye, when I was browsing the list of communities on lemmy.ca. Anyway, given how toxic lemmy is as a whole, I'm really impressed that this is a very nice space you've made here. You guys need to spread the detox around more.

Lemme know how I can be an ally I guess

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