julietOscarEcho

Flamekebab! Gorkamorka on lemmy! I guess I shouldn't be surprised there's crossover but pleased to see these fellas again anyhow 😂

Moot thankfully...

"it's in the public interest" so all these articles will be freely available to the public. Right?... Riiight?!

Your painting is gorgeous but I can't help but mourn the loss of character from older death company kits.

Welcome welcome. And congrats on getting your mojo back this year.

Yeah, compare Jonesy to Zadarius Smith...

Could at least have chosen something halal/kosher.

Happy for the guy, but gotta hope marshawn Lloyd beats him out. Wilson's upside kinda capped isn't it?

Little did I know!

The capital gain is the profit, the collateralized lending is the transaction completed to realize that profit. It's a logical extension of accepted understandings of those terms and easy to imagine coherent legislation to implement.

You don't like the idea, that's fine. But it's simply not true to claim that it doesn't make sense and you haven't been able to articulate any inconsistency. Just saying "nuh uh that's not profit" is pointless. We all know it doesn't constitute realized gain in the existing system of laws, but OP and others are suggesting it would a be a sensible way to tax the extraordinary benefits that the ultra-wealthy take from their appreciated assets. It's been explained to you politely and with sources, if you have nothing more serious to add to the conversation I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Relevant case law: "While it is true that economic gain is not always taxable as income, it is settled that the realization of gain need not be in cash derived from the sale of an asset" https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/309/461/

It is in fact true, and clearly then doesn't mean that at all. We can and do control what constitutes a realization event, and borrowing is a pretty sensible candidate. I don't know why you're losing you mind over this fairly prosaic idea.

Precisely. The medium of value delivery is irrelevant, as soon as you extract value by borrowing against an asset you have completed a transaction and therefore is a point at which it could (/should though that's the debate I guess) be taxed.

In both cases (payment in bitcoin or borrowing against stock) your remaining position could go to zero leaving you liable for tax you don't have money to pay, but that's on you to manage better.

Realization isn't restricted to "unambiguous outcome with zero question to the providence or final outcome" even in the existing tax code, and what does "final" even mean.

It's mostly an administrative convenience that we work with sale as the archetypal realization event. And collateralized borrowing is a very good candidate for realization as it inherently involves valuation.

Regarding losses, yeah you could then realized losses which could be used to offset gains from other sources, rolled forward into future tax years and so forth. That's all a pretty normal part of wealth and tax planning for people with ample and complicated finances. They hire people to handle this, don't worry about them.