kemonine

joined 7 months ago
 

Whelp...

I finally got off my butt to start working through zaws, kitguns, companions and any other modulars I've been avoiding. Part of my avoidance is due to the fact the modulars need a lot of open world materials and I'm not a big fan of the open world areas of the game. I spent the last few days putting together and play testing a loadout that has allowed me to make farming the open worlds for resources far less painful.

Before I get into the specifics...

The below is what I've found to

  • be low thought / low spoon / dont need to think hard to be effective
  • be efficient overall
    • probably not meta but definitely 'fast enough', especially with resource boosters
  • be easy to use with controller, switch, steam link, etc
    • you do not need a pc or mouse+keyboard or 'real display' to use the below effectively
    • I have capital T Thoughts about controller accessibility and the below keeps controller concerns in mind
    • I tested the below with steam link, my folding phone and bluetooth joycons to ensure things arent too painful
  • be generally useful across fishing, mining and conservation
  • allow for working through the open worlds in 'loops', farming 'a bit of everything'
  • allow targeted farming if you need or want to focus your efforts on specific resources
  • allow for non-open world builds to co-exist with these builds
    • I tried very hard to avoid making the below ultra specific when it comes to forma and similar
    • I have the below gear setup with separate loadouts for both open world needs and general game needs

General Notes

  • this is not meant to replace any 'meta': this is meant to be efficient overall, take the pain out of farming open world areas of the game, be useful no matter the platform or input method or display while keeping your sanity if not fond of open world areas of the game
  • the below is pretty expensive in terms of forma and endo... dont panic: you do NOT need to max everything. this setup is meant to be very flexible and allow players to adjust if desired and/or necessary. I tested this with non-maxed gear. it was quite effective and usable with non maxed gear.
  • I've included substitutions, where appropriate, for my recommendations. I tried to ensure you can use kit thats easier to obtain than my primary recommendations. you may lose a little utility but substitutions are perfectly valid
  • you can reliably swap out individual pieces of the loadout for your preferences. secondary and melee weapons are very easy to swap for alternatives without losing utility or efficiency. the itzal archwing is not required but provides some quality of life gains compared to other archwings
  • each link includes additional detail and nuance thats not included below

Loadout

  • see each linked build for additional details
  • ivara or loki
    • ivara is easier to use than loki as she has no fixed time for invisibility
    • if using loki, build for invisibility duration. see here for inspiration
  • sniper for 'scouting ahead' and clearing enemies at distance if needed
    • prefer lanka or vulkar (wraith)
      • they have the most flexible zoom levels
      • I use vulkar and will swap to the wraith varient when I get one
    • snipetron vandal or rubico prime are good alternatives but have less flexible zoom
  • pyrana
    • kills open world enemies fast and efficiently
    • can use akarius or similar 'nuke' secondary if preferred, just watch out for self-stagger and self-knockdown
    • this is a flex slot
  • innodem or another dagger
    • fast attack speeds
    • have limited range to avoid accidental kills during conservation
      • mainly for clearing enemies trying to kill conservation targets in cambion
    • this is a flex slot
  • oxylus (preferred) or heilos
    • oxylus better for general use
    • heilos only for codex scans
    • NO weapons
    • NO offensive mods
    • do not aggro conservation targets or enemies when stealth
  • itzal
    • raw speed
    • use Penumbra (ability 2) to go invis + swap to sniper or tranq rifle in air
    • this is a flex slot. itzal is more of a QoL buff than anything

Playstyle for conservation

  • use lures for targeted searches, archwing for general searches
    • when exiting archwing: watch out for 'slams' killing conservation targets, fly to ground then leave archwing mode for a 'soft slam' that wont kill the target
  • go invis
  • use tranq rifle to subdue target
    • some can be subdued with sleep arrows
  • call in for retreival

Playstyle for general farming

  • note: sleep arrows can help with managing 'mobs' that sometimes form in open worlds
  • archwing to farming location
  • go invis
  • farm
    • use sunpoint drill with silence upgrade for mining
    • use oxylus to highlight fish instead of luminous dye
    • see above for conservation
    • you can fish and mine from dashwires: use this to your advantage for getting to hard to reach mineral veins and over water so you can fish any spot

Cambion Drift Loop

  • reddit map thats useful
  • go around outer edge of map in clockwise direction
    • can go on foot with prowl active
  • open cysts as you see them
  • pickup any residue (fass/vome) as you see them
  • mine at far east and west caves (center of north/south)
  • fish if you see any as you work through your loop
    • put out bait if you want to fish a hotspot for a bit
    • move on after 1 bait expires
  • this loop will yield a large number of tokens for daughter (fishing), otak (mining), son (conservation), and father (cyst resources & residue)
    • youll need to run bounties for mother tokens
  • convert various resources to tokens
  • convert tokens to grandmother tokens
  • turn in only grandmother tokens for syndicate rank
    • grandmother tokens are significantly higher syndicate rank rewards than any other token
    • this setup is meant to ensure grandmother tokens flow fast enough to be worth the effort
[–] kemonine@dormi.zone 3 points 7 months ago

This is good to know. If I get desperate I may have to look into this further.

[–] kemonine@dormi.zone 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Have you gotten to Zariman/Holdfasts or Sanctum/Cavia yet? If so, how do they compare to rank them vs Entrati/Lloid for you?

(this is a genuine ask)

[–] kemonine@dormi.zone 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

100% this

I quickly max ranked both Solaris United and Osteron without getting too angry. Entrati? I've barely ranked them and I haven't bothered with Lloid at all. I have zero interest in the way DE setup the token system and Entrati/Lloid will likely be the /last/ content I bother with. I dislike it so much I've started working through the Simaris offerings as scanning enemies is less annoying to me than grinding Entrati or Lloid rank.

The token system would be great if I wasn't forced to play every little bit of content in the Cambrian drift. I'm not fond of conservation, fishing is boring AF to me and mining is annoying but manageable for my brain. Thanks to the token system I'm /forced/ to run every little bit of content and then go 'buy' tokens (wtf DE?) for common, uncommon and rare resources. It's very easy to not be able to buy tokens due to them costing some random blend of common/uncommon/rare resources (with time gating no less! seriously?!?) and even if you /do/ buy tokens, its best to exchange them for grandmother tokens which is a whole other level of time gated, random buys further forcing grinding and farming all the things.

If I wanted to be forced to wander around an open world farming All The Fucking Things, I wouldnt be playing Warframe, I'd be playing an open world farming game.

I really hope they do a re-balance pass like they did on Fortuna that eases this pain. I want nothing to do with the way they laid out the ranking mechanics for Entrati and Lloid.

Set it up like the Holdfasts and Cavia. We can farm our syndicate standing via the hidden map treasures (void plumes / voca) on whatever map we like to engage with. We can also stock pile them and upgrade them to higher levels of rarity without too much pain to better manage daily standing limits over time. It goes quick, doesn't fry your brain and allows you to avoid burnout on any one map/content type if needed.

[–] kemonine@dormi.zone 1 points 7 months ago

I meant toxin, not corrosive. I've edited the post to fix that.

I can run the farms you mention but they are a huge PITA when I'm not at my PC with the nice monitor and 4 paddle controller.

This is for farming for when I'm burning time, waiting, sitting on the couch or similar. Essentially when I'm mobile and dont have a 4 paddle controller handy and/or large enough screen to see WTF I'm doing reliably.

I'm optimizing for non-thoughtful farming that is reasonably efficient, not the most efficient overall.

 

I've been farming focus, simaris standing and kuva weapons lately and dug into suggestions online to see if I could improve my efficiency. The meta seems to say Equinox is 'the best' frame for these farms at Adaro, Sedna. From what I can tell, its her ability to put enemies to sleep for stealth purposes along with good mobility while also being effective with 0 forma builds that puts her as 'best' in the meta.

Adaro is definitely an improvement over other nodes for balancing speed, difficulty and tedium based on my experiences but I'm definitely not fond of Equinox for these farms.

The trouble is I really dont like the amount of thinking (for me) involved with Equinox when it comes to farming. She's a great frame who I'll eventually setup for more general use but for farming, esp when on switch/mobile, she requires a lot more thinking and tactics than I'd prefer.

Equinox requires enough thinking (for me) that I started looking for other ideas. Particularly Ivara and Loki given they both are designed with stealth in mind and take a lot of the thinking out of anything stealth related.

Ivara is a pretty straight forward build but the prowl movement nerf is enough of an annoyance I'd recommend Loki unless you need ~~corrosive~~ toxin kuva weapons. If you are also farming ~~corrosive~~ toxin kuva weapons, Ivara is a great choice. Re-use any stealth build and the sleep arrow from Quiver and youre good to go. Maybe add a couple archon shards to improve her parkour speed and roll around for faster movement.

Loki, on the other hand, ends up being easier to build compared to Ivara (0 forma) and easier to use for farming (refresh invis when the timer run out, use lull as you go). Very straight forward to play. I've also been chasing radiation kuva weapons which is another reason for me to use Loki instead of Ivara.

My Loki farming build, linked below, has proven the easiest to use when farming on the couch (switch/steam link), outside enjoying the sun (mobile/steam link) or late at night before bed (any platform). Exactly what I wanted. Even if not 'meta', this build very much worth considering. The link has a full description and details on the build + loadout.

https://overframe.gg/build/646300/