mako

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[–] mako 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

If you were able to take in anything I've said you wouldn't have asked that, though you've made it abundantly clear that you don't currently value the process of learning. I've never cast judgement on the theory you've chosen to call The Truth. Through everything I've said, you either refuse or can't understand what I've clearly laid out. Your issue is blind acceptance of something you heard. Your arrogance and lack of actual knowledge told you that it sounds neat and makes sense at 30,000 feet so it's Truth.

You go for personal attacks because you have nothing of value to retort or add. Your Knowledge was challenged and you reacted with anger and name calling because you can't reasonably address anything I've said.

You and religious people have a lot more in common than you think. You all believe that you've found The Truth. Whether it's Jesus or some theory you actually know practically nothing about, you're drunk on feeling superior and think you comprehend the very nature of existence. There's no real difference between you and any religious person because there's as much hard evidence for one belief as the other. You believe there's a difference because you chose to go all in on a theory as opposed to a god, and that makes you feel smug.

You're a kid who doesn't know much about anything, and you think you've got existence figured out. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad and common.

Hopefully you'll grow out of this but there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that may not be the case.

[–] mako 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Our current understanding of math tells us that it's 4, and simple addition like this led to higher levels of mathematics that we've used to do things like place humans on the moon.

That never would have happened if we'd collectively said, "2+2=4 and now we know all math."

We don't Know All Math. Check out all the unsolved proofs that our best mathematicians haven't been able to solve. And those are just the questions we've thought to ask due to our current level of understanding.

People who acted like you used to believe that they were having a drought because enough virgins weren't blood sacrificed, as that was the contemporary thinking. They were just as unbending as you in believing they knew The Truth. We have the benefit of hindsight and advancements in science to better understand and predict droughts. You're lacking the ability to see your place in history objectively and understand that what you call Truth is merely a theory of today that requires infinitely more understanding.

If you're not ready to accept that you don't know The Truth, that you're not in the special club of enlightened people like everyone who goes to the Flat Earth conferences also believes, I understand. It's not an easy transition from "I'm so smart that I understand the very foundation of reality" to "I'll never know The Truth about anything but I'm excited to keep learning." It's not something that happens quickly either. It's a whole shift that changes how you see everything, and it can initially lead to feeling like the mom in the comic. I hope you can make that transition someday as the earth always needs more scientific minds.

[–] mako 2 points 7 months ago

If "triggered" means to be influenced to think or act due to stimuli, then sure, everything is triggering to everyone all of the time. You were triggered to respond. I was triggered to pee when I woke up.

[–] mako 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

It sounds like there's already some cracks in your foundation, and that's a good thing. If you were privy to The Truth you surely wouldn't care about what one person thinks about how flawed your thought process is. You definitely wouldn't tell them to shut the fuck up.

That shows that you're a bit rattled and don't like having your authority challenged. If you can become aware of this predisposition within yourself, you can start to change it.

Anyone who "knows how it all works" stops learning because there is nothing more to learn. They started digging and got all the way to the bottom and there's no more to go. You said you wish you had a 1,000 times more understanding which doesn't align with your position of owning The Truth. Either you understand The Truth or you have a lot of understanding to go. You can't have both. And spoiler, no one has ever come anywhere close to The Truth in any discipline. What we can do however is increase our understanding to be used in meaningful ways and to create and test current and new theories as we keep moving forward.

You can accept this, or tell me to shut the fuck up and down vote my comment. If it's the latter I hope that this either planted a seed or was meaningful in any way to someone else.

I'll edit my comment to respond to the edited addition in your last one:

The truth is that you don't and won't ever know The Truth. Knowledge is a journey, not a destination. Claiming to know The Truth is arrogance and leads to the end of learning. Intellectuals seek to learn more and keep digging while they understand that they'll never reach the bottom.

[–] mako 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)

I guess you were also predestined to not address any of the points I made?

Telling someone that their thought process is flawed/immature is not the same as being triggered.

If logic doesn't move the needle, how about this: every person who thinks they have it all figured out is seen by most others as an arrogant douche.

If you ask any real scientist who's running real research and experimentation - those people who have 1,000 more understanding of the subject for which you claim to hold "The Truth" - they'll tell you that every new discovery leads to many more questions. The last step of the scientific process isn't, "sit back and enjoy having figured it all out." It just starts over.

The reason I think (hope) you're younger is because it's more natural for younger people to believe that they get it, they understand, they have the answer. After all, that's much of what school pounds into us: here's The Answers. Repeat them back to me for full credit. Most education is focused on creating a foundation for different subject areas as opposed to teaching students how to learn and think for themselves. Having "the answer" and being "right" is heavily encouraged and younger people gain validation from it. It's natural to continue reaching for more truths and answers instead of innately valuing the learning process itself.

A lot of people never grow out of that stage. Feeling like you own all the answers can be quite comforting. That's why the mom in the comic is broken on the floor. She just lost all the answers that got her that far in life. You probably relate to the guys in the first frames who know The Truth (god isn't real) but you're also being represented by the woman on the floor. You don't know how to cope with the actual truth which is that you don't and will never know The Truth. The best you can do is accept your current level of understanding in all its deficiencies and to keep learning more.

If you currently possess the ability to take in what I said and accept some new Truths about yourself, great. I'm really writing for anyone who might see this and benefit from your example.

[–] mako 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (17 children)

Woosh.

You said that free will isn't real and went on to say the reason YOU DECIDED to make that comment, as well as what YOUR GOAL was, and what YOU WILL OR WILL NOT DO.

If you're not the one deciding what you did in the past or what you will or won't do in the future, it seems pretty arrogant of you to speak one way or the other about it.

At best, maybe you're saying that all existence is just made up of particles colliding and interacting with each other, and that if you knew the exact position, vector, and velocity of the most base level of all particles, you could perfectly predict all future events or extrapolate past events and that we're all forced to proceed just like pool balls moving on the table. Since we currently can't map those values for a single electron, I'm thinking that maybe your "truth" can't be extrapolated to the rest of the 99.99999999999% of existence that we haven't discovered and don't understand.

My favorite part is at the end where you say you're not going to force "your knowledge" on anyone, as if you've found this immutable truth that the rest of us are just too daft to understand.

My guess is that you're between 13 and 22 years old and like to feel special by knowing "the truth." That's why we have flat earthers and people who say that 5G causes autism. Their goal is to feel like one of the enlightened ones much more than performing or understanding research.

If you really want to be a lifelong learner and something closer to a scientist, your goal won't be to arrive at some final destination ("my knowledge"/"the truth") but to continue to move forward, press on, learn more, take it to the next level ("my most recent theory.."/"what I'm thinking right now.."/"this study suggests.."), and drop the arrogance and fake superiority.

[–] mako 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I believe they've completely lost the plot. They invoked the word "Wikipedia" as a cited source, they were unable to follow any point being made, but their comment in a different thread from a couple hours ago actually helped me start to understand what's going on:

They started calling everyone a misogynist for no obvious reason. They were unable to communicate their thoughts in a meaningful way or interpret information presented to them.

Further, 17 hours ago, on a post that was clearly pro-piracy and not AI related at all, they commented, "AntiAI bros raging at this." There's zero relationship to the post.

I'm seeing a trend where they have their own opinions (censorship is always bad, misogyny is bad, AI is good) and then decide to share those opinions with tangential or no connection to that which they're replying. They're also fond of personal attacks and several common argument fallacies. Their comment history reads like a tribute to /r/im13andthisisdeep.

I hope it's merely age and maturity-related and not something more permanent.

[–] mako 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I think it's ok for the owners of a privately owned platform to make decisions for that platform. If they want to exclusively show nudity, GTA6, or drying paint, I'm all for their autonomy.

Your autonomy allows you to utilize their platform or not based on their choices. If the absence of a focus on the groin, butt, and breasts on a green screen offends your values, I would suggest not visiting Twitch.

To bring it back your original comment, enjoying a platform's decision to desexualize content while also being opposed to a government ban on violent video games is perfectly reasonable. The two scenarios are entirely different in scope and and context.

[–] mako 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

You made it a 1st amendment topic by comparing private platform censorship to banning violent video games, which would be a government action that eventually gets a lawsuit seen before the supreme court.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I make it a point not argue with people who resort to name calling and shaming others - these people aren't here to debate facts or allow their opinions to be changed.

I'm providing a counterpoint to your erroneous logic for other people to see and choose for themselves.

[–] mako 4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Banning violent video games is government censorship and is a 1st amendment issue.

Banning certain behaviors on their own platform is entirely the perogative of the platform owners.

The two are not alike whatsoever.

Your argument is akin to saying that not allowing strangers to fill your home and smoke crack is "censorship" and is "just so dumb."

Disagreeing with the rule or the underlying reasoning is anyone's right, but disagreeing with a private owner's right to decide who and what is allowed on their property is insincere at best as you would never agree to your own rights being infringed.

[–] mako 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If their model was simply, "were going to pay you to stream," then it would instantly be another egirl cam site which is not inherently right or wrong.

They don't want that. It's their platform, their server space, and their rules. Similar to who you allow in your home and what you allow them to do, they decide who and what if allowed on their platform.

The "why" doesn't even matter. Maybe it's run by a far right Christian. Maybe they don't want the liability. Maybe they have a vision for what their platform is and isn't. It doesn't matter. It's their property and they decide what's allowed.

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