polygon

joined 1 year ago
[–] polygon@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Well, the big issue here is that we sort of don't have the power you think we do.

What I mean is, say you have 10 servers. 7 are Lemmy, 3 are kbin. Great, each admin has control over those servers. Then you have Meta. They'll run 1 huge server. When the 10 other servers enable Federation, Meta now has 10 servers of content that isn't even on their own platform that they can sell. Your data will literally exist on the Meta server because your data is not contained within your instance/platform once it's Federated. Meta can then harvest the entire Fediverse for data like this. It's like an absolute wet dream for them. They don't even have to coax people to use their own platform!

Meta must be defederated the second they so much as dip a toe into the Fediverse or everything you've ever done, or do, on any ActivityHub platform will be scooped up and sold.

Edit: And it's even worse because all it takes is 1 server to Federate with Meta. If server A is Federated with your sever B, Meta can sill pull your data from server A they Federated with, even if your local server B has Defederated with Meta. This is a huge problem.

[–] polygon@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, lots of people have felt depressed too. That doesn't mean they've got clinical depression. It is clinical when it is so extreme that it impacts every facet of your life.

Think of it this way: lots of people can't see well, but not seeing well doesn't mean blind. If you don't see well you can improve your life by wearing glasses. If you're blind glasses aren't going to help. The whole way life functions revolves around dealing with being blind. There are all sorts of things you'll need to do to cope with blindness that people who aren't blind, or simply don't see well, don't have to do or think about. So it isn't quite right to equate not seeing well to blindness, even if people who don't see well can imagine what not seeing at all might be like since they can partially experience not being able to see.

[–] polygon@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure what I make of that. He quoted a guy, rather than giving his own opinion. We can make a lot of assumptions about why he quoted the guy, but without stating an opinion it can only ever be speculation. In a massive list of essays, which I admittedly haven't read all of, one quote seems to be the big uproar about fascists running Lemmy?

And then being like "Hey maybe don't delete posts just because they're about China? That doesn't break any rules," suddenly makes them in love with the CCP? I don't have any context to judge the quote and posts regarding China literally do not break any rule. "Orientalism" is a ridiculous reason to delete a post.

This all seems completely blown out of proportion like typical Twitter drama.

[–] polygon@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You're making it complicated. For us oldies who lived on IRC back in the day it all seems pretty simple.

Bunch of different servers connected together where everyone can talk to each other no matter which server they're connected to. In Lemmy's case, the channels are hosted on various servers, but anyone on the network can talk in those channels regardless of where they're physically located. With IRC you'd just connect to the server that was the fastest based on your location. With Lemmy/kbin, you connect to the one that is the most stable for you, or you like the name, or UI, or whatever (I prefer kbin). But once you're on one there is no functional difference to the content because they're all on the same network (ActivityPub).

You don't need to explain the details of Federation to get people to understand what it is and how it works. Where any specific community is physically hosted has no real meaning when anyone can access it from any instance. Just like IRC, being in the US and speaking with someone in Australia, we're obviously on different servers but that has no meaning when the content (chat) is the same through both.

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