How can someone put this up on a wall without noticing that Greenland has been annexed by Canada, Texas has annexed Canada and the Mediterranean has moved to India.
Looking at it from the view of Reddit, their original excuse for charging for API access was due to the usage of it for machine learning with training their models. LLM's (Large Language Models), such as LaMDA (Bard, Google), GPT-4 (OpenAI), need an enormous amount of data inputted into them and Reddit has a large amount of high quality conversations, making it an invaluable source for them.
However, because Reddit's API was free, they didn't get a cent of this. Unsurprisingly, they didn't like this and wanted to profit off of this in some way. So they decided to charge for the API data access.
However, there is a clear issue with this as the Reddit API was used by third party apps, that don't abuse the API and use it to operate their Reddit clients.
It's quite clear now that the intention was not purely based on LLM's as there was a large number of solutions that Reddit could've used to charge for API access for those wanting the data and those who are simply operating third party apps.
- They could've made a system where app developers can apply for a specialised API key to be used for third party apps.
- They could've made different pricing tiers for those who are operating third party applications with adjusted rate-limits for mass-scraping compared to generalised browsing.
- They could've allowed third party apps to have their users use their own API key that they get from Reddit themselves.
- They could've worked with developers to add advertisements for their apps unless a premium subscription was purchased from the developer.
- Many, many other ways they could've handled it other than this living PR nightmare.
Client developers were absolutely more than willing to discuss these options, yet they were thrown a ton of hurdles by reddit.
So why do they want you to use their app?
- They get engagement data, since your usage can be completely tracked by them when using the app, such as how long you're looking at posts for, your engagement with specific topics, etc.
- They can show you advertisements, this is their primary source of revenue.
- They can promote their other revenue schemes, like purchasing coins and NFTs.
- They can wall parts of the app off, like preventing you from downloading videos and forcing you to share the link to reddit, thereby creating engagement.
- They can show investors the number of app downloads and their apps growth. This also makes it more likely that they get promoted in the various app stores. They probably get disdain every time they see Apollo being promoted many times by Apple, even in WWDC presentations, over their main app.
These are a few examples of reasons that Reddit want you to use their app and there are most certainly many more. However, their argument has a fatal flaw, in that the value of Reddit does not come from their platform, but it comes from the data within it.
Social media follows this rule usually, 90% are lurkers and 10% are contributors. However, it depends. You might have a 1% of contributors that are prolific contributors that produce most of the sites content, or you might have a very small portion of contributors, like 0.01%. Think of the number of YouTube users and how many actually post videos themselves, or even contribute to the comment section.
Reddit contributors will be more likely than the average lurker to use a third party client or adblock on their browser. The revenue from these users is net-loss on paper, however, in reality, they are contributing significantly to the content that the revenue-generators will be viewing. If this content didn't exist, there would not be a lurker to view the content, they'd simply go elsewhere.
Reddit doesn't see it this way, they see these users as revenue losers that need to be migrated to their official app so they can begin to generate revenue. However, as mentioned, the huge backlash indicates that this was a terrible idea. Especially considering that unlike a platform like Twitter, Reddit is divided into sub communities managed with volunteer labour. As with the contributors, these individuals are much more likely to be using adblock or a third-party client. The Reddit app is rubbish, Reddit themselves have admitted this. Power users are going to try and find an alternative method of browsing that they find is better, which they have done.
Reddit absolutely knows this. /u/spez made an indication in his main post for his AMA that old reddit is not going away. They likely have engagement data for this and know that many contributions are made through old reddit. However, old reddit still gives them revenue and it's still their platform. They added advertisements a few years back. https://safereddit.com/r/changelog/comments/c5clgh/ads_are_now_in_feed_on_old_reddit/
TL;DR Reddit wants money, but those who don't use their app don't generate money, on paper. In reality, they do. But it's hard to convince investors of that.
Absolutely. It's only a matter of time before someone sees the value in the information/data that is here and begin indexing the entire fediverse/site and working on SEO for it.
There are countless examples of indexers for GitHub for example, if you do any searching for questions related to coding. Pretty much every issue and repo has been indexed.
When reddit first popped up, posts from it came up in search results very rarely, now it's pretty much at the top of many searches, since it's a bastion of knowledge and community groups.
It's really only a matter of time if things do go well here.
The Verge posted the actual memo that was released, you can find that below and the article here
Hi Snoos,
Starting last night, about a thousand subreddits have gone private. We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as much. While we knew this was coming, it is a challenge nevertheless and we have our work cut out for us. A number of Snoos have been working around the clock, adapting to infrastructure strains, engaging with communities, and responding to the myriad of issues related to this blackout. Thank you, team.
We have not seen any significant revenue impact so far and we will continue to monitor.
There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well. The most important things we can do right now are stay focused, adapt to challenges, and keep moving forward. We absolutely must ship what we said we would. The only long term solution is improving our product, and in the short term we have a few upcoming critical mod tool launches we need to nail.
While the two biggest third-party apps, Apollo and RIF, along with a couple others, have said they plan to shut down at the end of the month, we are still in conversation with some of the others. And as I mentioned in my post last week, we will exempt accessibility-focused apps and so far have agreements with RedReader and Dystopia.
I am sorry to say this, but please be mindful of wearing Reddit gear in public. Some folks are really upset, and we don’t want you to be the object of their frustrations.
Again, we’ll get through it. Thank you to all of you for helping us do so.
To me, this looks like it was absolutely destined for a public release/intended leak. The victimisation says it all with them crying that their employees are going to get attacked. This is a simply absurd statement.
Any indicated statement from a CEO of a community forum that insinuates that their users, who are currently undergoing a completely peaceful protest, are in fact, volatile enough to attack employees simply doing their job has completely lost the plot. Their position as CEO is completely untenable.
Thanks Reddit for throwing extra wood on the fire. I was getting concerned that it wasn't raging enough.
I was exited for it and then I saw Ubisoft. sigh…
So now I can summarise the game for you
- Please climb this tower to expand the map
- Here are fifty three billion icons on the map
- Please fetch me all the antique butt plugs across the map
- Please find the 1084 shrines and light a single candle in each of them and I will reward with you new pants
We need to have a running tally on the amount of VC money that has been burned on completely idiotic investments like these.
I think you could’ve told this to a six year old and they would’ve told you this is a stupid idea.
I'm absolutely horrific with organisation, but I found a few ways of managing things. I never really managed to grasp notifications, eventually they just became an auto-ignore for my brain. What worked more for me was having hints of what I need to do in places that I would naturally look throughout my day.
For instance, with my iPhone, I use dynamic island to keep my current task in a persistent way. It's not forceful and it doesn't interrupt what I'm currently doing. I've also got a large widget on my home screen which shows me some things like weather, date, reminders and calendar events. I see it a few times and eventually I usually manage to enact on it. I unlock my iPhone more than 100+ times per day, so that's 100 potential opportunities to see it and enact on it.
As for filling it with tasks, I usually do that just before I'm about to go to bed. Once I plug my phone in, I have shortcuts give me a notification that reminds me to fill out the tasks for tomorrow. This isn't bulletproof of course, but it helps to try and make it habit somewhat.
Despite the deficiencies, we're still brains of habit, so trying to make that habitual does help. It does help that it's a task that doesn't change.
What kept me at reddit was the content, not the company. If the content moves here, then this is where I'll stay. If most content remains at Reddit, which would be unfortunate. Then I'd probably try to juggle both, depending on how my time goes here.
So far, it's been rather positive. I've got most of my daily dose of community conversation, but I'm missing that video streak at the moment.
Over my dead body. I'd never trust a single thing from Meta. Their track record is absolutely horrific in every way possible.
It looks good in the marketing (it always does) but we should all remember that it’s Bethesda making this. Then again, I can’t even name a developer that I would say “hell yeah, this is gonna be awesome!” at this point. The very sad state of the industry.
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I’m in Australia and have never boiled tap water before. Sometimes during major storms or flooding you get a boil water alert but these are usually advisory and monitoring shows that in most cases the water is still within legal limits. Of course though you should still boil the water if an alert does go out.