trafguy

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[–] trafguy@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago

Even if you can't vote, you can still email/call your representatives, go to local government meetings, explain the issues to people you know and ask them to vote, volunteer, etc.

I'm not saying you have to, but any of those is a helpful contribution.

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's a problem, but I don't think it's as unsolvable as that. Figuring out how to overcome the strategies being used to divide us could rapidly repair the damage. Education, both in and out of school, is a crucial element of that. The ones frothing over "liberal tears" clearly don't want to find common ground, so we would need to learn how they communicate and why they won't listen, then find a strategy to break through that barrier and help them on their way to broader skepticism. In essence, once we cure the disease, we need to vaccinate them to mitigate the next outbreak.

There's been some focus on this area of research. We have evidence that "strong men" rise to power by capitalizing on fear and anxiety. They set themselves up as a savior who will get rid of the scary problem by blaming someone/some group that is innocent but unknown (and therefore a suspicious stranger) to their base. They start with (comparatively) small lies and build trust among their following. Once the more suseptible slip into this form of groupthink, they'll fall for bigger and bigger lies, and are very difficult to recover. The question is, how do we wake up they who scream of "sheeple" without an event so tragic it traumatizes an entire generation? The last few times involved massive wars or similarly harrowing events. Events so massive they dissillusioned the followers and forced them to confront the fact that they got played by a charismatic (to them) narcissist with a superiority complex.

Unless we can figure out how to snap these people put of it relatively peacefully, we're most likely going to be in for a really, really bad time before it gets better. With any luck, at least in the US, maybe Trump will get thrown in prison and the Republican party's leadership will turn on Trumpism or collapse before they can take control. Maybe if their chosen authority figure is imprisoned and disowned by their team they'll be able to see clearly again.

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago

I'll have you know it's perfectly unnatural when I invert my corporeal form to assimilate my terrified victims into the eldritch void where my soul used to be.

But in all seriousness, agreed. It's not possible for something that's part of nature to be unnatural. All behaviors are natural. Some behaviors pose a threat to the individual or society at large, and that's the only case where any action should be considered, but only as a harm reduction strategy rather than punitive. An individual's sexuality, gender identity, etc., definitely don't qualify as dangerous.

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that would be crucial too. Antibioitics and the risks of antibiotic resistance need to be included. But to create and purify effective antibiotics, you also need to start with the scientific method, then branch into chemistry, biology, etc. Glassware and procedures to minimize contamination would be important to effectively extract helpful ingredients from potentially harmful molds/other sources.

Depending on the starting scenario, it might be possible to skip much of that at first if we had leftover supplies from a prior civilization. If this site is to be believed, it sounds like making penicillin at home is quite a process, but doable if you're able to get the right supplies. I don't see any efficient pathway from here to there if we had to start from zero though.

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

I read it as "what do you have enough knowledge of that you could aid in the birth/advancement of a new civilization?" Doesn't matter if you have it fully figured out, just what knowledge can you provide that would be highly valued if all knowledge were otherwise lost.

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • Crafting bows to hunt. Wood selection, shaping, tillering, natural bowstring materials.
  • Some edible wild plants
  • Some basic farming knowledge
  • Some construction/shelter repair techniques
  • Algebra and concepts of calculus, and why they're useful
  • How to preserve foods
  • Basic concepts of electricity's importance and how to make it, but someone would need to explain how to go from raw material to a functional wire, find some rare earth magnets, and figure out how to make LEDs or something else worth using the electricity for.
  • The scientific method
  • Concepts of how to engineer/design a solution to a problem
  • Troubleshooting techniques
  • Some basic concepts of boat stability and construction
  • Some concepts of modern psychology
  • Concepts of critical thinking and rejection of groupthink
  • Basic physics. Loose explanations of kinematic equations, gravity, friction, pendulums, air resistance, aerodynamics, basic concepts of rocketry and flight/parachutes/gliders
  • Evaporative cooling? I could describe the concepts of modern air conditioning, but that doesn't seem useful yet.
  • I could probably work out how a windmill works, how to make a wagon, how to purify water, how to make water-tight storage.
  • Germ Theory
  • The Paradox of Tolerance
  • How pasteurization works
  • Fermentation, concepts of distillation
  • Basic oral hygiene? Habits of at least rinsing sugar out of your mouth afterwards, if brushes aren't available.
  • Use of alcohol and heat as antiseptics. Suggestion to use honey in a pinch
  • Basic concepts of how magnifying lenses work and why they're important
[–] trafguy@midwest.social 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If we must tolerate healthcare being tied to work, the least we could do is require employers to pay part of healthcare for all workers based on the fraction of full time they work. 10hrs/30? You get 33% of a full time worker's healthcare benefit. Either as cash or with you covering part of the cost. Work multiple jobs that total 30 hrs? Pick your favorite employer plan and your other employers pay towards it.

But yeah, universal is long overdue, and this would be one of the worst tolerable ways to impelment improvement

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

I agree with you in some ways, but I think there's a communication barrier here. In short, yes, we need to be united in our approach and we need to focus our efforts in the areas that matter most, but individual action is not a united front; it's the opposite.

We've solved other problems through collective action. The climate accords resulted in the Montreal Protocol, which resulted in bans on freely releasing ozone-depleting chemicals like CFCs. This ban resulted in a resounding success--the hole in the ozone over Antarctica, which had been growing rapidly and threatened to leave us with much less protection from solar radiation, has now basically recovered to pre-industrial levels.

We need government action, and we as a people need to hold our governments accountable to these demands. That means demanding that corporations must implement effective strategies to reduce emissions and resource usage in general. It also means individuals must be pressured towards these changes, but that can only work if it's economically feasible for the average person. I'm in my mid-20s working full time and I can't even afford housing for myself, nor could I find a modest, truly eco-friendly home if I wanted to. How am I supposed to dedicate the energy to find more eco-friendly options when they're sparse, poorly supported or actively resisted by the structure of society, and most of my energy is already taken up just fighting to survive at all?

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, that's the spirit! Let's all just blame ourselves for being born into a system which actively prevents you from choosing not to be a part of it! ^/s

But seriously though, individual action can be a little helpful and it's worth doing the parts that aren't an excessive cognitive load, but it's much, much more effective to have government regulate environmental action. Choosing to compost your vegetable scraps is helpful, but it pales in comparison to the industrial yard 30 miles over burning guzzoline by the kiloliter like they're in some sort of Mad Maxian hellscape.

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's definitely some fucked up shit. You didn't deserve to be tormented like that. There are some really fucked up people, and you've met far more than your share of them. If you don't have the strength to get up, I get it. It's understandable. And they did fail you. your parents, your teachers, your police force, and every authority figure who could have intervened but didn't--all of them bear the blame for what you went through.

I don't have the time to respond in detail, but I can say a few more things:

  • I can attest that I won't deliberately hurt anyone. I've lashed out at people verbally when I was in a bad place, but that's the extent of it. Hell, I was bit by a random dog a few months ago and my first thought was "what happened to this dog that made it afraid of me?". I know there are tolerant people because I talk to a few regularly, and because I do my best to be one myself.
  • I don't know what you've tried, but there's a therapy called EMDR that is designed to help people with PTSD. Basically, you sit down with a trained professional and go through the memories that are stuck in your head while following some specific exercises that help you avoid getting sucked too far into them. I've heard it's really helpful for some people.
  • I get the feeling you recognize that I'm not the same person who hurt you, but if not, please try to remember that each person is unique. Some of them are assholes, some of them are neutral or even helpful. And if you approach anyone with aggression, you'll usually find they respond with either fear or aggression. If you go to a bar or a crowded public park and just say "hello" in a somewhat positive tone to a few people, I bet you'll get a range of responses. Some of them might be suspicious or want to be left alone, and some will likely be open to a conversation.
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