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You do realize we're 'arguing' because we're trying to figure out how big a liar Trump is, right? And you're kinda sorta making me defend Trump here. I'm sending you the bill from my shrink. :P
But with that said, let me put you in a crowd of 600,000 people, except you don't know it's only 600,000 people. I will bet the left body part of your choice that I could tell you there were 600,000 people, a million people, 2 million people, or eleventy billion people and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I could easily see a bunch of Trump suck-ups telling him there were a million+ people there just to stroke his ego, and I could see a world where Trump believes it. If someone were to put me in front of a sea of humanity that large and tell me there's a million people there, I'd believe it too.
See? Plausible deniability. It's a horrendous exaggeration that's easily fact-checked, but Trump has some wiggle room here.
It was also on TV for several weeks around the clock. Everybody saw footage of people jumping from the towers.
Plus, at the time, he was a real estate tycoon, practically synonymous with the term New York, and had a fleet of various aircraft at his disposal. He could have been in his helicopter flying to Trump Tower before they basically shut the skies down. (He wasn't. But the average person doesn't know that). Heck, a rich New Yorker being in downtown New York and therefore being in a position to see it happen isn't all that unbelievable in the first place. It's a lie, obviously, but again there's loads of plausibile deniability there.
If he were to try to tell that story today, he'd be saying he personally ran in to the buildings with a fire hose himself, and that the Wall St. Journal had an article yesterday that Obama personally funded the entire 9/11 attack.
Lack of water pressure because of decades-old plumbing issues is common in shitty apartments run by slumlords. Not that Trump would know anything about being a ..... oh, right ......
Ok, I surrender. You've got me here. Even I can't Trumpsplain that one away.
I've gotta still mildly disagree. His bullshit used to have at least a whiff of believability and plausible deniability, even if you had to dig several dozen layers to find it. But he's getting older. Cognitive decline, you know. Bless his heart. Now he's just letting the shit spill out of the diaper just to see who'll come by to clean it up.
Yeah I don't really know how we got here. I get stuck into proving a point sometimes, I think it's an autism thing. I don't know. I'll ask my shrink.
I don't know. Like the fake civil war memorial suggests, he's always been perfectly fine with making things up completely I think. Don't forget he invented at least two fake personas to talk as in efforts to talk himself up, too ^[1]. I think he's always had no problem disregarding reality completely. I could probably dig out more examples but like you said earlier - this is turning into a pretty meaningless exercise!
And I definitely do agree that his cognitive abilities seem to be on the decline. In fact it was reported on only earlier today ^[2]