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I think they are referencing broadly the crimean and volga but also specifically suppression of ukraine and like soviet occupied poland. They broadly say ussr did crimes against humanity and mention stuff like deportations and katyn massacre.
As for the "soviets could also have done the same atrocities", they don't really explain it. Its just put forth and they just say that "ussr had an active enemy that is why they just mass deported people and not shoot"
As for the nazi conflation I think the common refrain I saw was : soviets blamed victims of holocaust by downplaying "the nazis/capitalist hate communist. Being jewish had nothing really to do with it"
They even say the soviets were afraid of agreeing to the trails cause their atrocities might come out like katyn or something.
Anyway I did find that one video which was the source for some of the stuff. And the weird article that has been circulated.
it's not a very strange article at all, it's just a little bit of end-of-history decontextualization. and honestly that wouldn't be so bad if untrained internet arguers weren't trying to use it as a cudgel, i think scholars of genocide and memorial recognize that the USSR was not alone in presenting the memory of the holocaust in ways considered inadequate today. they'd recognize that what genocide was and how it should be remembered were developing concepts in the 1940s-50s. and the article does not hide that the soviets developed a more inclusive tradition that continued to get more inclusive after the soviet union. to see the USSR as an immovable obstacle to memory is simply not the content of the article.
the video is engaging in so many deprecated antisoviet tropes and an intention to not understand the soviets that it is not worth consideration. it's almost farcical how these people can pretend to not understand why a country would try to promote unity in its peoples. the west would never do that lmao
Well I said this article was weird cause of several reasons. The main one being if you read the article there is a specific way they talk of ukraine. Apart from suggesting liberalization made the victims of holocaust heard, they also suggest its cause of Ukraine's 2014 "Revolution of Dignity". But it also mentions prior that the OUN or other ulranationationists pushing how they want a OUN are victims narrative. It just flips between the genocide isn't acknowledged cause just like the OUN or other nationalists the communists also just want to valorize the red army and not really acknowledge genocide. Only liberalization did the right thing.
Which is very bizarre, since like 90s or even post 2014 if anything there has been more concerted effort to destroy monuments. Whether its victims of holocaust in ukraine or soviet war heroes. And subsequent push for victims of holodomor or even efforts to push banderites as victims through lobbies in canada or USA.
The video itself if you observed also makes the point in the end about war in ukraine and how the stalinist repression/policy led to it.
Yeah I agree it is farcical. Even beyond some liberals that champion EU or whatever. There's self proclaimed history learned "leftists" who keep saying how the whole unity in peoples is a stalinist ploy to cover their crimes and downplay nazi crimes. Its just very disorienting.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: