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“What was very shocking was that while we were all in the room discussing and listening to people impacted by what’s happening in Gaza, we’re not certain that that message will get across to the people at the top of the party,” Khader added. “You look at the themes of the party’s convention – today, tomorrow, Wednesday, and Thursday – there’s nowhere where Palestinians are included in that narrative.”

While the platform condemned former President Donald Trump for refusing to “endorse the political aspirations of the Palestinian people,” it made no divergence from the status quo policy of vetoing UN Security Council resolutions this year that moved towards Palestinian statehood.

While the platform boasts of being opposed to settler violence, it makes no acknowledgment of the International Court of Justice finding the Israeli government’s occupation and illegal expansions of settlements constitute apartheid.

And to that end, while the platform condemns UN efforts that apparently “single out” Israel, and the Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions movement for the same – apparently ignoring the historical precedent of Americans also boycotting and pushing divestment against fossil fuel companies and apartheid South Africa.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No, she did not. Your lies may fly with other people, they do not fly with me:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/us-elections-kamala-harris-biden-gaza-israel-war/

Nobody in the administration supports the Gazan genocide. Not Biden, not Harris.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If a state is committing an ongoing genocide, and another state routinely sends weapons to that state, they are militarily supporting that genocide. That is the reality on the ground, regardless of the rhetoric from the Biden Administration. Ending that unconditional military support is what is required to stop supporting that genocide and abide by International Law

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, they aren't. Because that same state is under attack from state sponsored terrorism.

If they are choosing to misappropriate the support for improper purposes, that's on them.

Kind of like when we send humanitarian aid to a country where it is immediately and illegally siezed by the government. We're not just going to stop sending aid.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sending Israel military aid explicitly for uses that must abide by International Law, such as to protection from Iran for example, that is conditional military aid. The Biden Administration is not doing that, they know full well that the unconditional military aid sent to Israel is being used for the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza

Saying that they support a ceasefire while simultaneously supplying unconditional military aid to a nation engaging in genocide, while it might provide some plausible deniability, is still a violation of international law and morally representable

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We have no constraints on Israel for international law or any other kind of law, in fact, we run interference for them when it comes to UN Resolutions through our veto power.

The analogy I like using is that Israel is the bratty little kid on the playground who feels he can do anything "because my big brother will beat you up!"

It will continue until someone breaks the little shits nose regardless of consequences.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The transfer of weapons and ammunition to Israel may constitute serious violations of human rights and international humanitarian laws and risk State complicity in international crimes, possibly including genocide, UN experts said today, reiterating their demand to stop transfers immediately.

“These companies, by sending weapons, parts, components, and ammunition to Israeli forces, risk being complicit in serious violations of international human rights and international humanitarian laws,” the experts said. This risk is heightened by the recent decision from the International Court of Justice ordering Israel to immediately halt its military offensive in Rafah, having recognised genocide as a plausible risk, as well as the request filed by the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court seeking arrest warrants for Israeli leaders on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity. “In this context, continuing arms transfers to Israel may be seen as knowingly providing assistance for operations that contravene international human rights and international humanitarian laws and may result in profit from such assistance.”

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can lie and censor the truth with your mod powers on .World. You seem to have forgotten you can't do that on .ml

Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says

And of course the new DNC platform matches this

DNC 2024: New Democratic Party platform shuns US arms embargo on Israel

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Show me where they support the use of weapons for genocide. It's cool, I can wait.

Oh, you can't because they don't.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The weapons are unconditional. Therefore they are okay for them being used in any way Israeli regime deems fit.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That doesn't mean they have stated they support genocidal action.

My kid was going through a bad patch and asked me to hold on to his gun for him. If I had used that to rob a bank, he would not be complicit in bank robbery.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

No, but if you had already robbed a dozen banks and then your kid gave you another gun he would definitely be complicit.

[–] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not reasonable to argue with someone without reason. No matter what anyone says it will never change your mind. You are unwilling to call out an administration complicit in genocide. You need to reconsider your morals

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago

What morals? These crackers don't have morals, they just have desires.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It says it right in the article I linked

Unless you're saying Biden is not sending weapons for Genocide too... Surely you're not a Genocide denier right?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sending weapons != "please use these for genocide". Try again.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So you're saying you don't believe israel is committing Genocide with American weapons?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Israel will commit genocide with or without American weapons. It's what they do.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Israel cannot commit Genocide without American weapons. You were linked an article proving that on r/Politics, surely you read that article.

But even that is entirely irrelevant as the Democrats could be not-complicit in Genocide by not sending weapons to israel. Can you explain why they are sending 2,000 pound bombs to israel?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They absolutely can and do.

See their policy of bulldozing the homes of the families of the people who oppose them. No US provided bulldozers necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/24/what-is-israels-bulldozer-strategy-in-the-occupied-west-bank

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure why you keep pivoting to 'they could do it without Democrats'. But at least try not to be wrong in every example you give

The IDF Caterpillar D9 — nicknamed Doobi (Hebrew: דובי, for teddy bear) — is a Caterpillar D9 armored bulldozer used by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). It is supplied by Caterpillar Inc. and modified by the Israel Defense Forces

Whether israel can commit Genocide without American weapons is not relevant to Democrats giving them weapons to commit Genocide with.

If Adolf Hitler could commit Genocide without Krupp manufacturing weapons and Zyklon B it does not make Krupp "not complicit" for doing so. Sending 2000 pound bombs to an active Genocide makes

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because, Israel is intent on illegally occupying every square inch of Gaza and the West Bank and they don't care how many people they have to kill to seize that territory. US policy has nothing to do with it, they do not care what we think, they're doing it anyway.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

America is proving the weapons and legal cover for israel to do that.

You keep doing that magical leap to somehow the Democrats not being complicit despite them clearly being complicit in the Genocide israel is committing.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All American administrations do this, it's not "The Democrats".

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay good now you've admitted the the entire American administration are complicit in Genocide minus maybe 4 Democrats and Thomas Massie.

Now the question is. what is Leahy Law and why is it not applied to israel yet? Because it sure seems there's a lot of laws preventing sending weapons to a Genocide.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because we don't apply laws to Israel. Nobody does. It has to do with Evangelicals and end times bullshittery.

Israel has to exist so Jesus can come back, and all that.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But wait your argument is that Democrats are not complicit in Genocide.

So the Democrats are not complicit in Genocide because... Jesus has to come back to earth?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block. It's not about genocide, it never has been. It's about money and power. Always has been.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I’m saying no US politician, for 78 years, will dare go against the Israeli lobby and the Evangelical voting block.

Because few people were willing to withhold their vote for it.

Would be a shame if there were moderators on forums censoring political discussions when people are willing to do so.

Almost like they want to hide the complicity in Genocide because it could stop people voting for their party of preference.

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Holy reading comprehension, Batman.