we also have the most comments. never stop posting
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So if I'm just a normal bernie sanders in terms of political ideology, you guys would probably hate me huh.
I mean, the sad truth is that Bernie and most "left liberals" are letting down the INTERNATIONAL working class. I liked Fetterman, but he's decided to support Israel at a CRITICAL moment in the Palestinian struggle against a genocide being perpetrated against them by Israel
fwiw I dont think anyone here hates liberal workers. We hate the machine that keeps turning everyone in the developed world into a monster. We're all on the Last Train to Nuremburg rn, I dont think a lot of good hearted leftsts understand that yet
Nah you're alright, we were all where you are once and we still want the same things for the same reasons. To be specific, by lib we mean the dedicated neoliberal types, blue maga deadenders and such. The kind of people who will pull out some chart to rationalize why the market says some people have to die, actually. As a Bernia Sanders socialist you've probably had them smugly lecture you about the (literally negative!) price of healthcare while nodding sagely along with the latest grotesque military budget. If talking to those dorks makes you grind your teeth, you'll probably vibe well with Hexbear
I canvassed for Bernie in 2019 and while I no longer identify with him due to disagreements over foreign policy, I definitely wouldn't be where I am now without the visibility his two campaigns brought to basic, humane socialist ideals.
I'm already lib left and although I'm always open to more political ideas, economically, I will always believe in a regulated capitalist system. Now at this point, all of Hexbear is cussing me out. Yes, it would probably be an ideal world if everybody gets along and nobody exploits each other but it's just the inner human greed we all have that prevents this, so I don't think it's a realistic goal. As many have mentioned though, I'll check out the Jakarta Method. Maybe it will turn me into an Anarcho Communist.
The "inner human greed" is the system reproducing itself, based on profit and all that. Humans don't have metaphysical stuff in them, just like kings don't have the divine right to rule. We're all educated to believe that this is how things always have been, and always will. That's why we struggle to imagine any alternative system, and we struggle to understand that things do change. I'm still learning as well, so not sure if I was clear
Wow this has been real touchy-feely-friendly. I guess I'll be the one to say
A regulated capitalist system just means ”the child labor is done in other countries”.
It's cool that you cam here in good faith to discuss, and I hope you do go ahead and read and learn more. The Jakarta Method alone rather elucidates the horrific crimes done by well regulated capitalist systems..
Looked more into The Jakarta method. That's insane that the US started bombing civilians and started putting people in concentration camps. I think around 1 million were killed? Fucking brutal and I've never heard about it. The 30% in Indonesia went from loud and proud to silenced and murdered. Still, I was hoping this would've shed more light on how communism could work out.
I think their point in mentioning it is understanding the barbarity of the capitalist world order.
The question of "how [socialism] could work out" can be debated endlessly, but the grave element of the question is how to prevent liberal capitalism from being restored and how to survive capitalist encirclement. The libertarian navel-gazing about "incentive to work" and so on has always been bullshit and is frankly not a real issue.