I've been trying to use Matrix to replace sites like Discord or Slack. But it seems that if a user creates an invitation-only room in a server, then invited users who are registered on other servers get errors when trying to join. Not very useful error messages either: "Failed to join room". (In my case, I tried creating accounts and rooms at nitro.chat and then at converser.eu, but friends registered at matrix.org don't manage to join).

Quite a let-down. Anyone who's facing the same problem and has maybe managed to solve it?

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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 43 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Anyone who says Matrix is a suitable replacement for Discord is delusional.

But you can self-host Revolt chat, which is very similar.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Revolt with federation (they are hinting XMPP) would be very nice

https://developers.revolt.chat/faq.html

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As of right now, Revolt does not feature any federation and it is not in our feature roadmap.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's why I said "would"

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You also said "they are hinting at XMPP" when they're not even hinting at adding federation.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Below the sentence you quoted

However, this does not necessarily mean federation is off the table, possible avenues are:

Implement our own federation protocol
Implement a promising up and coming federation protocol, polyproto
Implement the Matrix protocol (unlikely, obtuse and unstable)

Implement the XMPP protocol (battle-tested and stable)

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 13 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, I read the whole thing, thanks. However it's listed right next to several other (basically every) option and if it's not even on their roadmap, it's guaranteed not to happen for many years, if ever.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One can only hope, but it is still very promising without.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you use it?

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yea, but voice is pretty borked atm.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I tried it but the teeny tiny file sizes are a dealbreaker.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you tried wormhole?

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Never heard of it.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Check it out. A lot of the systems like Discord Etc limit file sizes so vigorously. Because they operate like men in the middle. Can you send them the file first. Then whoever you're sending it to can download it from them. It's adding extra steps to the whole thing. With something like Wormhole you can even link a file from your phone. As long as you are on Wi-Fi and not going to be chewing through data minutes LOL. All the app does is connect the end points. Once they're connected then you send the file directly to whomever you want. And the only limits on file sizes are realistically at the endpoints.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean there are dozens of sites like this. I can host my own media on my server and share it with a link. Except the "extra steps" you're referring to are all done automatically on the backend (the submitter just clicks "upload" and selects the file and the recipients just click the play button) and the "extra steps" required here and manual and annoying. In the case of Discord or similar.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The site isn't hosting the file. Sure you can host your own FTP etc. But there is a lot of security risks and vulnerabilities that arise because of that. You can even host your own Magic wormhole. It's under MIT license. Just have to open the ports Etc. It should however theoretically have a lot less attack surface than HTTP FTP and similar protocols. Nothing is invulnerable of course.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The site isn't hosting the file.

According to the site, it is:

In addition, we store your encrypted files on our servers for 24 hours so the share link will keep working for your recipient even after you close the Wormhole site.

Not that it matters, because none of that is the problem. Hosting my own media on my own server is much more convenient than p2p transfers and equally secure. The problem is the "extra steps" require to transfer files this way.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's simply acting as a connector. And directing traffic around Nat Etc for lay people or those who don't want to bother with setting up and securing server software or such things. Unless of course I'm completing the two and they aren't related. It's possible I suppose. But I've used the app a couple of times. And I don't ever remember having to sit and wait for a file upload. It was instant. Like the file being hashed and info being generated. Then slapping you with a QR code or a string to give to the person you're sending it to Initiate the transfer

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Matrix 2.0 is pretty close.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

2.0 doesn't even support spaces...

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah it does. The main app didn’t yet last I checked but there were other apps that did.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Such as?

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

schildichat

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Schildichat doesn't support 2.0 or SlidingSync.

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

https://github.com/SchildiChat/schildichat-android-next/blob/main/FEATURES.md

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Works on my machine