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[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The only people ever afforded a seat at the table are the moneyed class. And Democrats do need to be put under a microscope because they're the ones that pretend to be allies to the marginalized, While they Co opt our languages to use against us when we decide to not vote for them because they stabbed us in the back. Republicans wear their racism and their bigotry on their shoulders for all to see. For Democrats, it's covert.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"they need to be put under a microscope"

You know what they say, there's no one like someone on the left to make sure the most progressive party lose votes.

There's so much stuff politicians won't talk about on the campaign trail because they're wedge issues and because their records already show they're in favor/against those things, it's better to shut up than to alienate a lot of voters to please few voters. Spoiler alert, not all Democrats voters care about trans rights and more of them will jump ship if they believe Harris is woke than will jump in the ship if she starts talking about trans rights during the campaign because the majority of people who support trans rights already understand that the Democrats support their rights even if they don't make it a campaign issue.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Calling Democrats the "most progressive party" is like calling a carpet bombing the "most peaceful action" because the alternative is a thermonuclear bomb.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Of the two options that can be elected in the USA, which is the most progressive?

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you go by their track records, neither. One is verbally less regressive, sometimes, but only in election years.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's a pretty ridiculous answer... One party tried to increase healthcare access the other destroys whatever progress the other party made. One party is in favor of science, the other chooses a president that suggests injecting bleach to get rid of diseases. One party tries to create digital programs, the other blocks any attempts at it...

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One party is fully owned by the ultra-wealthy and will not do anything to even slightly weaken the oppression of the 99%, the other party is fully owned by the ultra-wealthy and will not do anything to even slightly weaken the oppression of the 99% and also lies about it.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Those of us on the left do not vote for Democrats because we are NOT Democrats.

it's better to shut up than to alienate a lot of voters

If they won't stand up and do what's right in the face of opposition they are not worthy of being elected. Mentioning the marginalized when it's politically convenient is self serving, and not worthy of being elected.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sure. Except the policies they pass represent their electorate and are diametrically opposed to Republicans.

Listen, I'm for all the same things everyone on this platform wants. The issue is our generation is terminally online but doesn't bother to vote. If you want to make changes disengaging from the political system altogether is not the answer. Building coalitions and doing the hard work is. But that takes work and is not exciting, so it's just easier for accounts like @return2ozma@lemmy.world to keep spamming non-stop about how "both parties are equal" and "corpo overlords". It's just more fun, isn't it?

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Many of those that chose not to vote are disenfranchised voters that do not feel represented in government, and rightfully so. Many of our lives do not fundamentally change for the better regardless which shade of fascism runs the government.

Liberals talk about building coalitions, which translates to 'do it our way otherwise you want the other team to win.' They want zero input from the marginalized groups they help keep marginalized, they do not listen to our needs.

Claiming that you want all the same things other people want is disingenuous when you demand we support the people fighting those changes.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Gurl I'm still saying vote for Kamala but be aware their shortcomings. Fuck Trump and the GOP.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sorry. I just don't buy it.

If you really want to enact change get politically active at the local level and build up. Get a seat at the table. Build coalitions. Run for local elections. Support your city council / school policy. Talk about what you can do.

Spamming incessantly about how bad the Dems are betrays a total lack of understanding who the main electoral base is (outside the internet) and how legislation is passed. This has been pointed out to you multiple times. You know all this. You know what you're doing. We see it.

I don't buy it.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

The working class will NEVER have a seat at their table, only promises and illusions that someday we will so they can stay in power.