Vegans take that to it's logical conclusion and won't even eat honey, but I have a (edit: non-literal, I'm still veg) bone to pick with them about the nature of the life of a wild animal.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I've owned horses. Trust me, if they don't want to be rode then they'll make it clear to you. I've had a horse decide that we're done and just lay down in a stream with me still on their back before.

All the horses I've have the pleasure of interacting with always seems eager to go out for a ride at any and every opporitunity. But at the same time I'm sure that less about the actual riding and more that they know they always get a thorough brushing and treats before and after.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago

You have to assume they just like getting out of a pasture as well.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah. As I alluded to, between being a pet or zoo animal or a wild animal, I'd definitely choose the former. Being factory farmed would be worse, that's messed up. Being someone's backyard laying chicken looks okay.

Not enough thought is devoted to what the life of an animal should actually be, long term. Vegans think about animals in a theme-park way, carnists mostly don't think about them. I have some respect for the guys that will eat an animal they personally know, because while that's not nice it's intellectually honest.

Yes, I know, I know, hot take, at least for the people that didn't click away already.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I have some respect for the guys that will eat an animal they personally know, because while that's not nice it's intellectually honest.

Same stance here. If you aren't at least mentally willing and capable of raising and butchering your own meat then you shouldn't be eating it. If the only way you can stomach meat is to ignore the ugly side of it then you shouldn't be eating it.

You need to at least aknowledge that what you're eating was once an animal and consider the life it lived. You owe the animal at least that much. Growing up on a farm it was always funny when the sheltered kids I knew would be suddenly devistated to realize where their chicken nuggets came from. It was no longer funny when I got older and realized that most of society doesn't pay any attention at all to where their meat comes from. It is that detachment that allows the awful conditions in factory farms to exist. Generally speaking when people have to look their dinner in they eye then they are going to be far more eager to ensure that that animal has lived a good life.