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Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; 'The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,' says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages' location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you were Hamas, would you situate yourself in a building out in the middle of nowhere (where is that in Gaza?) With a sign on it saying Hamas lives here, please don't bomb.?

[–] xhrit@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

So you acknowledge the fact that hamas uses human shields to protect its military assets?

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No one would be occupied, if they could help it. That's rather the point

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Has Gaza made any effort to reject international terrorism and work towards a future with justice and basic human rights for its own people? No.

Every time they choose terrorism. They would rather be fed by the charity of gullible westerners than by their own hands, those are occupied with killing Jews. Don't invest in food infrastructure, spend all the Qatari money on rockets! Solid leadership from Hamas, popularly elected before Hamas (popularly) cancelled all future elections. Suggest otherwise and they'll (popularly) kill you! That's your freedom fighters.

That's why it was blockaded. It was occupied because of October 7. It is still occupied because of Hamas and it's ideological supporters and allies. Maybe we could have a few Gazan's step forward and point out the tunnels, point out the Hamas members, if they aren't happy with where Hamas has led Gaza and don't want martial law.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You could say the same about the IRA. And people did. It was tedious and irrelevant then, too Look, you're entitled to your opinion. Let's agree to disagree

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Fair enough. History will judge.

E: Actually no it's not fair enough. Did the IRA not have a specter of legitimacy? I'm judging them both by how they treated their own people, and innocent people. I would likely give Palestine a pass for killing their oppressors if I thought that's what they were doing. Again, go over there and talk about women's rights for democratic values, and see if you don't get stoned to death for being an infidel. The IRA were at least decent people, morally defensible.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can't help yourself, huh? Fine, have a ban

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago