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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 39 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Alright news mega I need a crash course on Democratic Republic of congo because there's a push in some UK circles going on regarding this:

I have absolutely no idea what to make of it, I know nothing about the place. I read something about a failed coup attempt recently but don't know enough really.

My main concern is whether it's a place to support, what's going on there, and whether these efforts are legitimate concerns or whether there's a psyop brewing.

[–] Al_Sham@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Genocost"?

The website for TeamCongo looks like some ngo thing.

This article is a good place to start.

Any organization talking about what's happening in the DRC, but isnt pointing the finger directly at US/France/UK/israel who are arming M23 and Rwandan military, is suspect to me.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes you can see why my alarm bells are going off with this. All my instincts are say this has fed influence, maybe NED backed or France or something.

[–] Yllych@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think it's a secret that cobalt mining, or any mining really is exploitative of labour beyond normal wage relations. Plus the environmental cost is substantial as well. That is true enough, although like most real injustices this critique is ,for political reasons, aimed at former colonies rather than the more powerful governments that have the (stolen) wealth to actually create some kind of real solution.

As for the coup attempt by Christian Malanga, to me it's hard to tell how serious of an attempt at regime change that was by the US/UK simply because of how bad the attempt was. The impression I got was that the alphabet boys did not send their best, if they even bothered to get involved. Malanga and his group were quickly suppressed, Malanga himself was killed and his son imprisoned. As far as I know the only support he had was either among diaspora or western NGOs. So a total failure there. Malanga had ties to all sorts of western entities so it seems plausible he had at least a green light from some western backer to go ahead with the coup attempt with an implicit promise to be recognised upon success.

My guess is that this was an incompetent or just plain lazy attempt at regime change symptomatic of a decline in state power compared to the 50s/60s. As for the online boycott campaign, without knowing more I would venture that's maybe a 60/40 split between being created by naive libs vs from a suit filled board room somewhere.

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Do not support the DRC just to be a contrarian. Rwanda has valid reasons for wanting to destroy rebels on its borders.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, like being able to continue stealing the DRC's natural resources to sell to electronics manufacturers.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago
[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Rwanda has valid reasons for wanting to destroy rebels on its borders

There is a entity in the middle east that uses that same justification to do war crimes and happens to be the one of rwanda's most important allies isntrael

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

...The DRC should never be applied to the plight of Palestinians, it betrayed its revolution

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

Betraying your revolution is when the US and Belgian backed forces assassinate your leader and fought a civil war over who gets to rule over Zaire. And last time I checked, the Palestinians didn't even properly decolonize like the Congolese briefly did, but they deserve our support just the same.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

How did it betray its revolution?

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

that does not mean Rwanda is allowed to do ethnic cleansing

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

Who said they were doing ethnic cleansing?

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do not support the DRC just to be a contrarian.

There is a damn genocide happening

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which side is committing the genocide?

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The rebels they support literally committed the Rwandan genocide.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay thanks for clearing that up for me. All I know about Congo is that there is a genocide going on

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

the rebels rwanda supports are also committing ethnic cleansing, and the rwandan government is a reason to also blame for the rwandan genocide

[–] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

May you expand on what reasons would validate taking weapons from the US and Israel and arming militias to attack a neighbouring nation where 7 million people are displaced and twenty years of war and have famine have resulted in millions of deaths?

And do these valid reasons take into consideration that China became the largest stakeholder in the DRC's mineral mines about a decade ago, which coincides with the rise of said militias using US and Israeli supplied weaponry to murder people there? Or is it somehow coincidence that at a time when China is dominating the EV and green energy market (which relies heavily on imports from the DRC) and the US is openly asserting that they will crush Chinese EV and green energy markets, that US and Israeli supplied militias are just so happening to target the mining operations in the DRC?

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

...You do know China invests in Rwanda too, right? (China also supported the Khmer Rouge lol, they don't always pick the right team but I digress) Sorry, but I am of the opinion that the DRC should die. The rest of this conversation depends on whether you actually think the Tutsi are kulaks and therefore deserved it, which is.....yikes.

[–] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My comment was not in defense of China (though bringing up the Khmer Rouge as if that has any bearing on current Chinese foreign policy is wild), my comment is on the material benefit to the US for M23 to be attacking the DRC, which seems a rather important piece of information for understanding how a militia that is armed by the US and Israel and is attacking people to the US's benefit might be worth criticizing.

But then you made it immediately clear that you believe in collective punishment, as if the millions of people of the DRC should continue to be ravaged by US imperialism because of some nebulous connection that they have as an entire people to the Rwandan genocide, which, frankly, is a troubling viewpoint to take.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I just think the DRC's military should be broken and the country should probably have a internal revolution or fall apart. The DRC is already under American hegemony, it is already a tool of capital. (Also China chose wild sides durimg the cold war, I am pretty sure they supported UNITA and Mobutu)

[–] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Supporting American-instigated forever wars because an exploited people aren't revolutionary is certainly an interesting stance.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

...Cuba was right to support rebellion in the DRC. If Che was still alive, he would still be fighting in the DRC probably lol. (Proceeds to start struggle session over the sino Soviet split in Africa)

[–] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Supporting rebellion in the DRC and wanting the people of the DRC to achieve a revolutionary success is not even remotely in the same category as supporting US-backed militias from Rwanda doing mass murder and the displacement and death of the millions of people whose emancipation Cuba believed in. People aren't chess pieces in some grand strategy game. Revolution comes from the masses and is to free the masses. Revolution doesn't come from imperial militias doing murder and everyone starving and dying because the whole place is being ravaged for its mines. And there's nothing revolutionary about dismissing the deaths of the very people you supposedly believe should have a revolution as inconsequential because Rwanda has "valid reasons" for fucking killing them all.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

...I said they should kill the rebels who did the Rwandan genocide. Not a controversial stance unless you think tutsi are all kulaks. (I don't obviously but it's one of those awkward conversations people avoid for obvious reasons) As for the rest, I think Cuba was right about Africa and I think that extends to what Rwanda does now. (Anyone who thinks Rwanda is America's best friend doesn't remember a few years ago when Washington was on the verge of comparing them to Eritrea. Sorry I just think the DRC is a zombie state that should end.