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[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

AIPAC money and geopolitical nonsense has the US actively assisting in a genocide as the media works overtime to earn their payday, spinning the bejesus out of the situation, doing massive political damage - because the US naturally wants Palestine genocided ^because ^^I ^^^dunno... ^^^^reasons.

...but Israel have no influence?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

…but Israel have no influence?

They're coming from the weirdly common position of America as an evil empire they can oppose in all circumstances. Sure, one COULD actually examine the complex interplay of diplomacy and interests on the international scale, but who has time for that IR bullshit when you can just say "The Amerikkkans run the world on their puppetmaster strings!" and in the same breath mock the idea of Israeli influence as conspiratorial antisemitism.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you OK, my guy?

The recent Israeli influence on the US is undeniable. The rest is a strawman that's the product of an unhinged mind.

If you've got a point to make, be my guest... but this ain't it.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you or you're misunderstanding me.

I'm agreeing with you that their position that Israeli influence is negligible is incorrect, and saying in addition that their attempted justifications by conflating antisemitism and anti-Israeli sentiment and pushing an idea of America as an all-powerful entity on the world stage with very basic motivations does not actually help their point.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In that case, I guess one of us had a stroke... Though I can't rightly say who.

Edit: After re-reading, it was definitely me - my mistake.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

No worries, it happens!

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You think a western aligned colony of Europeans and Americans sitting in the middle of an otherwise hostile part of the world needs any more grease? You ain't thinking like a state. You ain't playing that mental game of interests and geopolitical boardgame shenanigans. You're thinking that there's no way America would do this on its own, that it has to be coaxed into supporting a genocide. Nah dude. Here's the simple breakdown. Israel will do what we say when we need to get something done in the region. After that, anything goes. This is basic American foreign policy. We supported mass killings and genocides our whole existence because the killers were technically our friends. Why would this time be any different? Or what next, you going to say Nicaragua owned American politics? How bout south Korea? Why would isreal be different.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

You're conflating actively supporting the genocide of Palestine (something the US doesn't benefit from outside Israel) and maintaining a strategic partner/toehold in the region - even if they're an ethnostate (something the US does benefit from).

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You ain’t playing that mental game of interests and geopolitical boardgame shenanigans.

That's incredibly ironic considering your Risk-level analysis of IR.