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Sir Richard Moore and Bill Burns did not list examples but there has been a spate of mysterious sabotage and arson attacks on infrastructure in the UK, Germany and in the Baltics.

Russia is waging a "reckless campaign of sabotage" across Europe, the heads of MI6 and the CIA have warned in their first-ever joint remarks.

Sir Richard Moore and Bill Burns also said the UK and the US faced an "unprecedented array of threats", and said the entire world order was under the most serious strain since the Cold War.

In a newspaper article, the spymasters pointed to Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine, while also describing China as "the principal intelligence and geopolitical challenge of the 21st century".

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[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Dude everyone has been more than aware of this since before 2016.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Everyone except the masses. See what happened with COVID and no-vax people.

The problem is finding the right balance between freedom of speech and national security.

[–] ziggurat@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The problem is not free speech, the problem is the absence of teaching critical thinking and healthy scepticism

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 2 months ago

And here I thought the issue was having a profit driven misinformation machine.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

People around me still look at me like I’m wearing a tinfoil hat when I point out the obvious facts.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Guessing they are talking about it more loudly now to try to redirect the rising anti-conservative sentiment before it threatens the status quo.

[–] Oggyb@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean? Anti-establishment? Nationalist?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

From my perspective, things have shifted in recent years. In the past, there seemed to be a general consensus that both the right and left were interested in building a system that benefited society at large, they just disagreed on what that looked like. Seems like more and more people are realizing that all conservatives want to conserve is their power and access to wealth.

It's also becoming more apparent that even conservative social issues aren't intended to improve anything for anyone but are just about controlling people and making them more vulnerable. Like it's no longer a secret that the drug war was more about racism than public health. The abortion ban and their plans for divorce laws are clearly about making women either more dependent on men or unable to leave them if they can't prove fault.

All that plus the red wave that was supposed to take over Europe didn't.

It's too early to tell for sure and it might just be the pendulum swinging this way before it swings back that way. It could also be more of a reaction to the far right than conservatism in general, since the far right has seized so much control over conservative political groups. But I do hope that this sentiment sticks.