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Is there any universe where an American populist movement isn't just disastrous for the periphery? (hexbear.net)

submitted 4 months ago by FunkyStuff@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

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Assuming that its accomplishments include moving manufacturing back into the US and securing the border, what good could come of a populist movement? The interests of the American labor aristocracy would just be consolidated with Imperialism to an even greater extent, and any conflict against China would see no resistance from organized labor because of the incestuous relation of the MIC and organized labor. Any anti-war movement would have no power at all, there would be no positive argument for stopping the conflict when it keeps everyone employed as contrast to the current state of unemployment and precarious work.

Potential benefits include the cessation of the export of capital, less capacity for the US to project power across the world, and less state repression of anti-imperialist movements. But I can't help but think that if the US pulled its production out of Asia, South America, Africa, and the Pacific, it would redo Gladio/Bloodstone to prop up fascists to hold down anti-imperialist movements, or create a dozen Israels to keep a way to quickly kill nascent revolutions. Am I wrong?

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That isn't happening, though

Right, which is why I'm curious what the calculus is for the imperialist class: at what point do they stop eating their own tail and get serious about the New American Century? They won't just let the empire collapse. I think this is a contradiction that is almost certainly resolved with fascism, which begs the question of how we are to navigate the tension behind a labor struggle that sees material benefits in throwing marginalized people under the bus. What means do we have to oppose the marginalization and dehumanization when it comes with the promise of economic stability for white labor aristocrats working at the bomb factories? What is our strategy when it comes to organizing these workers, how can we appeal to them while also fundamentally rejecting the product of their work and the entire project it exists within? And the obvious question, already asked a million times, how does the left build power in the core to resist fascism, when a large part of the people it needs to fight fascism would benefit from it?

Imperialism uses financial instruments to extract superprofits, and without dollar supremacy that becomes a lot harder because countries don't have to get loans from the IMF/World Bank or hand over their national resources.

100% and this is why dedollarization is so important to observe; is it realistic to expect that onshoring (thx for this word btw) would contribute to the process? I think Chinese capital entering the developing world is the biggest threat to dollar supremacy, but would capitalists readily cede ground by onshoring and allowing China to provide alternative means of development? Will the west ever attempt to be competitive in this realm, with only soft power to exploit, or will the IMF and World Bank continue with the same MO despite the decline in force projection?

I think that it does come down to what you said, though. I don't think the CIA is what it used to be (go woke go broke pronouns ) so it'll be crucial to see how any potential failures in killing anti-imperialist movements end up causing another Cuban Missile Crisis or similar.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

One important aspect of eating their own tail is the overuse of sanctions in the past two decades. What was once a targeted siege war on particular enemies of the US has become a broad and still growing tactic to replace military force. At this point over a third of all nations have some kind of sanctions on their people, properties, or organizations. We're at the point where sanctions are now isolating the metropoles from foreign markets, and meanwhile sanctioned countries are working together to avoid trade in USD.

They absolutely won't lift the sanctions, and in fact are only going to increase them, but in so doing they're dooming the purchasing power of their own basket of currencies.