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[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To me, someone who accepts everyone else while maintaining their own surety on themselves is the height of masculinity.

I'm sorry, but are you saying feminine people cannot also do this? Or that it would make them masculine?

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What would you say was a positive feminine trait?

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All i can think of is the nurturing and protective instinct of mothers that society lionizes, but those apply to men too so i don't really see them as feminine.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It seems like you see the problem too. I hope you're able to give the above commenter a break, due to that.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All i did was ask a question, and you have shed no light on that at all. I don't know what problem you refer to or how your comments relate to what op said. Maybe I'm a moron.. I give up.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As did I. So, I'm not sure how you could have a problem with someone else doing the same. Yet here you are.

Either there are no inherently masculine and feminine virtues or the best we have are social constructs that fall short of what we want and picking at people for attempting to present a positive version of masculinity that isn't just fighting or dominating isn't helping anyone.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As did I. So, I’m not sure how you could have a problem with someone else doing the same. Yet here you are.

I answered your question and i did not accuse you of picking at me or ask you to give me a break. I am merely frustrated that my initial question has not been answered and you have been a bit cryptic.

So I'll ask it again in a different way: if i am a woman who is comfortable with themself and unconcerned with other peoples sexualities, does that make me manly? Is this a difficult question? Am i weird if my answer is no? Why is asking this question seen as an attack on positive masculinity?

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, you answered while evading you own answer. I don't remember saying that you did any of those thing. Perhaps you could remind me of when I did?

What answer do you want there? What would make you be happy about what was said? You clearly have a problem here. So, why woman or man up and state it?

Can you quote where I said your question was an attack on positive masculinity? Its just that, without that, ita going to look like a terribly bad faith and desperate twisting of something that wasn't close to what was said.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh i get it, you're a troll. Im not going to post all the quotes lol, goodbye silly.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nice try but all I did was play you at you own game, for which you called me a troll without a hint of irony or self awareness.

You won't quote them because that wasn't what was said and you can't defend the ridiculouly sunderstanded nonsense you came out with. So, you choose to run away instead.

You made yourself look like a clown right there. If that's not what you meant to do, you should do different things in the future.