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Image is of China's ambassador to Afghanistan, Zhao Sheng, meeting Taliban Prime Minister Hasan Akhund in September 2023.

I know the Rambo title card is a hoax.

The COTW was chosen in the wake of the aborted sequel to the attempted assassination of Trump being performed by a guy who is VERY enthusiastic about Ukraine, to the point of trying to sneak Afghan soldiers into Ukraine by setting up a house in Pakistan to house them and then further transport them. He also apparently offered to send thousands of Afghan soldiers to Haiti to help them combat gang violence. Whomst among us doesn't have the numbers of thousands of Afghan soldiers on speed-dial. Do you reckon there's a group chat?

Anyway, while there is still no official recognition of the Taliban's government by any country, China has taken a different course than the late USSR and the US - forming economic in-roads, rather than trying their own invasion. This has been a big boon for the struggling country, with various mines and oil and agriculture deals helping keep things barely afloat. A total disintegration of the social fabric of Afghanistan is not in the interest of any of the powers that border it - China, Pakistan, and Iran, with Russia not too far away - so an interesting dynamic of helping-without-official-recognition has been established. I wonder who will be the first country to fully recognize them?


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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 84 points 1 week ago (97 children)

Говорит Шестиугольный Медведь!

Сообщение Совинформбюро!

Модераторы 1-го Международного информационного фронта под командованием фельдмаршала Советского Союза 72 трлн при поддержке 1-го Украинского информационного фронта под командованием фельдмаршала Советского Союза Карпа Правда завершила уничтожение мировой группы Лемми фашистских войск после упорных уличных боев!

А сегодня, 17 сентября, они полностью захватили столицу нацистского мира Лемми, город Лэнгли, штат Вирджиния!

Центр империализма Лемми и центр агрессии Лемми.

Hi, I'm here to announce that Hexbear's News Comm is going to be changing the rules of the comm in order to better modernize rules that haven't been changed since the founding of hexbear or have been added slap-shod in the heat of the moment to address pressing issues of the day.

With that in mind, we of the News Comm mod team have decided to add an element of democracy to the process of modernizing the comm's rules by opening the floor to the participants of the comm to both propose new rules, edit or strike old rules, and after deliberation by the mod team, voting yea or nay on the finalized slate.

If you wish to participate by making proposals, please make a comment in reply to this pinned comment with your proposed motion. For your proposed motion to move to deliberation by the mod team, we'll be requiring a minimum floor of 21 votes (20 unique votes plus your own comment's initial vote).

An example of this could be "Proposal to editing the old rule 4 on twitter links from nitter.com to xcancel or any other twitter mirror that does not require an account, while also striking the section referring to the firefox extension, making it

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End proposal"

Proposals that meet the minimum required votes will be brought to the floor in a private chamber for deliberation by the mod team and proposals will be discussed, edited should minor adjustments be needed, and finally voted upon to accept it as a part of the final draft or to table it from discussion. (by the way we called the chatroom we're gonna be chattering about all your ideas "The Central Committee of the news mega" You can either be jealous or mirthful of the level of Larping we're doing for this event)

After a set amount of time for accepting new proposals, discussing, and voting upon them, we'll do another one of these pinned comments presenting each accepted proposed rule for a simple thumbs up-thumbs down vote. After a set period of voting, we'll confirm the results and edit the Comm rules to reflect the new changes. (The voting system will look like Comment with proposal and two reply comments with a silly emoji and text saying "Yea" and "Nay")

Alright my little war piggies, its time to run wild!

[–] Kolibri@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (66 children)

I want to to prose a rule for no defeatism? and also for "nothing ever happens" stuff? I dunno how to word that properly for the best so if someone knows how to word it better? but it is really annoying seeing others saying nothing ever happens, when things are always happening, and trivializing things as if all of this is entertainment. Then there the defeatist side of stuff to where I understand the grief that comes from these things, but to say everything is all over isn't right. It's also very disrespectful to, like for example, towards everything the axis of resistance has done

[–] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (26 children)

defeatism

the news mega should try to provide clear-eyed and varied analysis; to insist that everything is going to plan, and to restrict posts to only those that take an optimistic-spin on world events, would be QAnon-esque cope, imho.

[–] Kolibri@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I don't think it's fair to compare it to QAnon-esque cope. Perhaps an alternative would maybe be requiring a cw spoiler tag then for very defeatist stuff?

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A content warning for "defeatism?" I'm sorry, but isn't this a bit silly?

Frankly, the left loses a lot more often, and for a lot longer, than it wins, and it's not defeatist to face up to that fact or to express frustration with it.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No, there's a difference between discussing the Ls and thinking the cause is lost with just one L. And most of the time, the doomerism is entirely unwarranted. People were losing their shit when Ukraine launched their doomed excursion into Russian territory and despite the repeated assurance from more sober minded people that the excursion was doomed, too many people were losing their shit and spreading doomer takes until it turned out Ukraine predictably wasn't able to do what the Swedes, French, and Germans failed to do.

Doomerism is technically reactionary. There's a reason why revolutionary optimism is a thing, why "pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will" gets repeated. In regards to the pager attack, this is fine while this is doomer nonsense. Someone personally feeling emotionally distraught over an L doesn't give them license to dump those negative feelings onto the rest of us. Those negative emotional dumping almost never comes with analysis anyways, certainly not good analysis.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

People were losing their shit when Ukraine launched their doomed excursion into Russian territory and despite the repeated assurance from more sober minded people that the excursion was doomed

I am once again asking news mega posters to read clausewitz

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I am not here to be a government spokesman. Posting about the news, especially during the second nakba is necessary even if it is demoralizing.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If Iran and Hezbollah don't attack Israel in the next few hours, they will have essentially surrendered.

This is absolutely news and not just you giving your hot doomer take on the situation.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Since I posted that, Israel literally did it again. Deterrence has failed.

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yet Hezbollah still exists. The world isn’t over.

Deterrence is a made up concept anyway by the west to justify militarism and war and escalating to de-escalate (but actually just starting a war despite pretending to slide into it unwillingly)

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No point in fighting a battle if winning the battle doesn't bring you closer to winning the war.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look up what a delaying action is.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Look up Deez nuts mf

PIGPOOPBALLS

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

You are one of the biggest culprits of out of pocket dooming. It’s not analysis to whine that the world is doomed

[–] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As someone whose phone occasionally heats up, all I can say is that we need to put down the copium. If Israel can do this, so can the CIA. It is highly likely that the age of mass communication is about to functionally end as soon as we reach the societal breakdown stage of late capitalism. As for Lebanon itself, it will likely collapse before Israel does. The zionists likely plan to genocide everyone within the borders of greater israel.

This you? Can you point me to where the "news" is here? Looks a lot like Nostradamus doom saying and reading tea leaves to me.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The news is that Israel double tapped. Opsec now means you can't use basically anything with radio waves unless you took it apart first.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is liberal nonsense that imagines the mossad as all powerful. This is exactly the kind of unhinged commentary that is not productive. This isn't the same as having rose coloured glasses or "coping", this is just you working out your fear in the thread. It is toxic and not helpful. Demonstrate that you are capable of taking part in this community in a respectful and thoughtful way or I will do more than just delete your worst posts.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not saying Mossad is all powerful, however I am saying that we have crossed the Rubicon into indiscriminate boobytrapped electronics. That is a huge problem especially when you are dealing with American controlled supply chains.

[–] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

maybe not a fair characterization.

i should still not like doomer stuff to be removed by the mods; other posters and the community at large should be responsible for correcting and responding as necessary -- as Harry notes, we lose all the time, and its good practice to notice this and find the strength and support to keep the faith up.

But surely libs are winning because of their toxic positivity.

If we just emulate them better, we can start winning too!

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