This is what states do, they are tools of repression. You've basically limited yourself to reading from a subset of anarchists and no one else with this statement alone.

[–] MalumCaedo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't see many central European states killing people for the reason of having different ideologies these days. And if they did their leaders wouldn't be celebrated for the books they wrote.

Without any kind of repressive system you'll have anarchy.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t see many central European states killing people for the reason of having different ideologies these days.

Of course not, they are nestled comfortably within the imperial core, they can better-afford to export their killing (see Germany's devotion to Israel). Most imperial core states are not like America, where protest leaders get lynched and then it gets called a suicide, because they rely on vassal states to be attack dogs.

As their position in the core becomes less and less firm, you will find that their liberalism decays into something much harsher. This has already begun with growing fascist movements in Germany, France, Italy, and so on.

Without any kind of repressive system you’ll have anarchy.

Agreed, though this is not necessarily a bad thing, depending on the particular structure of the society. However, in the meantime, it is also the socialist position that the state is repressive and, in the circumstances we currently find ourselves in, repression is necessary, it's just a matter of who is doing the repressing and who is being repressed.

[–] MalumCaedo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hm I'd say, as a central European, that our continent had centuries of war and destruction and we finally left that behind. And I have no fucking clue what the Imperial core is.

Considering the Anarchy: I believe that people need to be governed over. No order, no civilization...

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Hm I’d say, as a central European, that our continent had centuries of war and destruction and we finally left that behind.

A lot of people throughout history have liked to believe that when they don't have war, it's because they are more enlightened than other countries. This is idealist and self-flattering nonsense. Central Europe, being all in multiple levels of alliance with each other and having buffer states to their east and south (some in those alliances, some just as lackeys to those alliances, notably Ukraine), they are in a very convenient position to declare themselves more civilized than those war-like brutes who live in the global south, etc.

You'd think if merely having a history of going to war was all that was needed to become peaceful, Germany would surely be the most solid among you as being an enlightened nation (and I kind of wonder if you're talking about Central Europe^tm because your German or Austrian), but Germany was glad to join the US for years in its blatantly imperialist war in Afghanistan, meanwhile the Germans could keep swilling their beer in their "peace" because they were invading from much further away than Afghanistan could hope to retaliate. Then again, I assume you'll say that the higher level of development is because of Central European enlightenment too.

And I have no fucking clue what the Imperial core is.

Here you are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_countries

Considering the Anarchy: I believe that people need to be governed over. No order, no civilization…

We must consider why conflict emerges. Obviously in our current conditions, if you just removed government, things would immediately regress to feudalism, but why is that? Could it have something to do with individuals already having dictatorial power over others? Since surely they would be the new warlords. Could it have something to do with the development of production? Since surely the petty fighting would be, in part, due to resources already being too scarce for there to be enough to go around. Just some things to think about. Of course, you could say the socialist and even the anarchist don't believe we should ever be lawless, but rather that the ultimate issue is being governed "over" rather than having people as a collective keep each other in line.

I don't think I'll actually move the needle on this one though, whereas perhaps I could help you learn about what modern imperialism is, so I'm fine if we drop it.