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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 15 hours ago

Oh, the sharpening of that French tech for just such occasions.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

Communism A system of government where the country's wealth is concentrated into a small, ruling class of billionaires, who use the news media they own to keep the lower classes fighting with each other while they . . . the rich . . . run off with all the farking money.

Oh wait. that's capitalism. I don't know how I got those two systems confused.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I disagree, I think socialism can and will beat capitalism eventually.

[–] supertrucker@lemmy.ml 1 points 32 minutes ago

And a strongman dictator usually beats socialism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 22 hours ago

This meme isn't saying Socialism will not prevail. Rather, it's saying that even though Socialists can't individually beat Capitalism right now, as Capitalism decays Socialists increase in number and Capitalists weaken in strength, making Socialist victory more probable over time.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee -5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Beat or being able to flourish once the Goth Galadriel is gone?

Because historically the revolutionary forces (the one toppling the bourgeoisie) are extremely shitty governors (just continuing mass murdering & plundering which kinda makes sense if you think how & what they have been through).

In very few historical instances of regime changes all the previous actors as well as anyone involved in the revolution were prohibited in forming the new structure. This helps a lot to actually change the system.

You wouldn't want to move from a czar to a dictator, thats long term the same bullshit, only makes things better in short term.

Same with any oligarchy, if it exists and has power than it matters little what kind of regime it technically is.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Because historically the revolutionary forces (the one toppling the bourgeoisie) are extremely shitty governors (just continuing mass murdering & plundering which kinda makes sense if you think how & what they have been through).

Historically this is false 👍

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Long-windedness is the soul of wit.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago

Was there some new supercasper series or something?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Read Marx, everyone, especially people that don't think they need to.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I would like to add David Graeber to that, and Kropotkin even. I don't mean to start a snowball effect that turns this into a huge list, but I feel like not enough people (especially the average person) know about them; especially Graeber who is a lot more modern.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago

Kropotkine was a sweetie.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, the socialists have definitely been winning this epic fight.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The point of the meme is that as Capitalism deteriorates, and it must deteriorate, more Workers become aligned with Leftists and at some point there will be a shift from quantitative to qualitative, ie at some level there will be a dramatic change, like the boiling point of water.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Cool cool. LMK

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

So much winning

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You guys have been predicting the collapse of capitalism for like 150 years. At some point you have to admit that your theory was wrong and go back to the drawing board. This is just sad.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 14 hours ago

Capitalism is less than 400 years old, and feudalism took probably triple that to fully die out. These are world-historic processes taking a long time, involving new energy sources, technological developments, and declining surpluses.

Capitalism has had many crackups already, and is now in its late stage in most of the world. Even most of the populations of capitalist countries, when polled, are pessimistic about their future.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago

The fall of Rome took over two and a half centuries.

Sometimes you need to accept things are broken and move toward fixing them, not blindly stumble forward expecting everything to right itself.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 18 hours ago

You're not wrong, capitalism has a million failings, but the people running the show always find new ways to keep the status quo. They can buy the system whenever needed, while the masses can, at best, get a free beating from the cops

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Capitalism has been struggling with the problem of collapse, and in fact it did from pretty early on in that history you mention, with Italy, Germany, Japan, Spain, and so on. The problem isn't just going to go away, because a system that needs infinite expansion in a finite world necessarily will collapse. It can sometimes "innovate" its way into having more time, and modern imperialism is just such an example of that innovation, pushing much of the poverty capitalism demands into the third world, but that just changes the specific circumstances of the problem rather than eliminating it. The US as we speak is continuously losing its grip on its hegemony as the imperial periphery and semi-periphery develop sovereignty. History will not end.