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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

You're Mormon and you call yourself a socialist?

Socialism is the antithesis of religion.

[–] pooperNickel@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They also claim to be a Satanist. Anything is possible if you lie hard enough!

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think OP means the part where both emphasize taking care of your community, since that can be done with or without religion. Some ideas are so good that many groups adopt them.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Religion has very flawed ideas regarding community, however. It always results in a hierarchical structure and works to exclude those who don't abide by its values.

It is possible to be a good, selfless person and be religious, but I don't think it's possible to have religion without enabling power-grabbing, insular practices too.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Socialism is the antithesis of religion.

Not really. Socialism is a broad term with a lot of meanings. People often assume socialism requires antitheism because specific Communists venerated the state above all, and pointed to religion as a competing priority. Marxism was born in a context where the Church was seen as the ultimate authority. Monarchs and oligarchs claimed divinity as their reason to rule above all. Casting off classism meant defying thousands of years of faith-based indoctrination.

Today, most capitalist nations are ostensibly secular, or at least exist in cooperation with faith in a way that permits pluralism. Boundaries are strictly geographical, and cultural and ideological exchanges can occur between almost anyone almost anywhere. Governmental authority in most countries is no longer linked to religious faith, so socialist ideals do not necessarily need to contradict any particular religion. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

[–] dingdongmetacarples@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Early Mormon teachings included giving up all your property to the community. Maybe they took that to heart?