absolute clown shit. the "uncommitted movement" has been a joke since its inception, they've never been serious and it's just been a ploy to capture the hesitant dem voters and prevent them from going 3rd party. if they aren't going to apply any of their political leverage to get concessions, what even is the point?

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 16 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's a ploy, there's real Palestinians in it and stuff. I think this is just what happens when we have no real socialist organization or education, and radical alternatives are demonized. Everyone here knows they want something real bad, and they may even organize for it, but they have no idea how to get it beyond that. They've been blinded to the possibilities by propaganda.

[–] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I don't doubt that there are people involved that are sincere in their motives, but the movement itself has never had a clear direction or discipline even from the beginning. "So u hhh, we want you to stop arming and sending money to Israel and stuff, ok? Like uh, we'll still Vote Blue No Matter Who and stuff because Trump Bad, but pretty please still do what we want ok?" Zero leverage.