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We got nothing from the Dems, so the only thing that remains for us to do is what we always said we will do no matter what - vote for Harris.

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[–] spectre@hexbear.net 2 points 58 minutes ago

Keep these in c/electoralism pls

[–] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Listened to KYE and they had two uncommitted apparatchiks on and they gave an hour spiel about how the party led them on and ghosted them at the convention, and I couldnt stomach finishing the thing, but you could just tell how big of an L they took given that they didn't even get to save face w the crumb of a speaker, and wanted to vent, but will have to just suck it up and eat all the shit if they want to maintain any power in the party.

Big, I'll keep drinking that garbage, energy.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago

A nascent movement coopted by the DEMs? shocked-pikachu

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 7 points 2 hours ago

'urging a vote against trump' so PSL?

[–] miz@hexbear.net 55 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Trump, saying he'd "accelerate the killing in Gaza"

bull-fucking-shit. none of these genocide-excusing scumbags can ever explain how he would do this, other than making it harder for liberals to pretend it's justified. the same arms and funding will still be sent, and if "Israel" could kill 2x more they would already be doing it. this is a pathetic excuse by people willing to throw others into the meatgrinder if it means they can stay comfortable on the couch.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 33 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

How many Americans still believe in that bullshit death toll figure thats been stuck for nearly a year but mandem still on this narrative.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 25 points 4 hours ago

Even when we got to 30k originally it felt like an undercount. There's been massacre after massacre since then and it feels like there's just no one left to keep accurate records. They blew up most of the hospitals.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 36 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Dems know that their base would still fall in line even if they pissed in their hair and shat in their mouth and made them lick their boots clean, they know that if a genocide isn’t enough to dissuade them, nothing is.

They could have one half executed for fun and the other half would still vote for them.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 27 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"Trump would have executed all of us so the Dems are still better!"

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 8 points 4 hours ago

And the GOP voters are the same way. Ugh I hate this

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 39 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"We're against the genocide candidate but if you vote for an anti-genocide candidate then you're actually supporting the genocide" -smartest American liberal

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

wojak-nooo NOOOO this is a once in a lifetime very important election twice in a row please bro just voot please we'll hold them accountable please bro trust me

[–] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 29 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I am once again doing Lawrence O'Donnel posting

If you want to pull the major party that is closest to what you’re thinking, you must-YOU MUST-show them that you’re capable of NOT voting for them. If you don’t show them you’re capable of not voting for them, they don’t have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the Democratic Party. I didn’t listen or have to listen to anything on the left while I was working within the Democratic Party, because the left had nowhere to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRNnIMDkUY

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 25 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Uncommitted movement is really like the customer service apologizing to you and handing you coupons for the next purchase when you call to complain how the company’s self cleaning litter-box transformed your pet into charcuterie

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 63 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I genuinely do not understand this lib talking point of "a vote is not an endorsement." It literally is! What, it doesn't count as supporting them if you feel bad when you do it?? Politicians could not give less of a shit.

These geniuses just completely destroyed any capacity they might have to make credible threats in the future, and proved that anyone treating them as unserious was correct.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The silliest thing is that elected officials literally use their vote numbers as endorsements! Right up until he dropped out Brandon was using the 2020 popular vote to say that people backed his policies.

No politician worth their salt would ignore such an easy way to claim legitimacy, and especially not because you said pretty-please don't take this as an endorsement of your genocidal actions

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It's literally just like, "It's fine if my beliefs never manifest into any difference in material action, just so long as I know I'm holding the correct ideas in my head." Peak idealism.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 26 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

A vote is not an endorsement.

Yeah i don’t like Ted Bundy, but i would lend a kitchen knife to him for his meal with his date

[–] miz@hexbear.net 15 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

(cw: prescriptivism) language learner stuffalthough not all native English speakers are consistent on this of course, and I understood what you meant, in this situation you may want to use "lend" for 借. a mnemonic that might help is "borrow from, lend to"— a sort of checksum for this mnemonic is that the words are in alphabetical order. (not trying to be annoying, hoping you will also correct my Mandarin)

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 14 points 4 hours ago

Corrected! Thanks!

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 36 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Politicians could not give less of a shit.

This is the part that I didnt get about this for a long time. I mean I knew it, but i didnt make the connection in my brain.

All I understood is that in my mind I wasnt voting for all the evil things they do, I was voting for the marginal differences. That was the point of my vote in my mind.

It didnt occur to me until like late last year (yes, that late) that this doesnt materially matter because thats not how the politican takes it. They take it as an endorsement of every action they take.

For this reason, I'm sympathetic to people still stuck in that rut.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I never had it with voting but admittedly the same kind of logic held me back from going vegan for a long time, like, "I feel bad about eating meat so that makes it less bad when I do it, somehow."

[–] PurrLure@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago

Omg I used to do the same thing! im-vegan

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 19 points 4 hours ago

It would be commitment of a sort to grow a backbone, respect for staying true to their non-principles

[–] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

absolute clown shit. the "uncommitted movement" has been a joke since its inception, they've never been serious and it's just been a ploy to capture the hesitant dem voters and prevent them from going 3rd party. if they aren't going to apply any of their political leverage to get concessions, what even is the point?

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's a ploy, there's real Palestinians in it and stuff. I think this is just what happens when we have no real socialist organization or education, and radical alternatives are demonized. Everyone here knows they want something real bad, and they may even organize for it, but they have no idea how to get it beyond that. They've been blinded to the possibilities by propaganda.

[–] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I don't doubt that there are people involved that are sincere in their motives, but the movement itself has never had a clear direction or discipline even from the beginning. "So u hhh, we want you to stop arming and sending money to Israel and stuff, ok? Like uh, we'll still Vote Blue No Matter Who and stuff because Trump Bad, but pretty please still do what we want ok?" Zero leverage.

[–] qaopjlll@hexbear.net 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Libs pushing the "voting 3rd party helps Trump" narrative so hard makes me wonder if they're going to introduce legislation that actually causes all 3rd party votes to count as a vote for the Republican candidate.

[–] hypercracker@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Mostly the dems are trying to use the courts to kick third parties off the ballot in swing states. It's going all the way to the supreme court in Georgia. But the dems love democracy, of course.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 57 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

part-of-history "They say the uncommitted movement did all those extra steps in their Kamala endorsement!"

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 22 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Voting for genocide but enlightenedly

[–] miz@hexbear.net 14 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

wish this was suddenly written over every D yard sign in the country

[–] Vernon_Tennessee@hexbear.net 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The radlibs outed themselves the day Joe Biden had a good day on super tuesday 2020. They threw their hands up in the air, gave up, and started being good little cucks for the libs.

[–] aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The radlibs outed themselves the day Joe Biden had a good day on super tuesday 2020.

It wasn't so much Joe Biden having a good day as it was Obama, making all the calls necessary for the other neolibs to fall in line (and perhaps for the other "progressive" to stay in the race).

[–] Vernon_Tennessee@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago

In any case, a lot of radlibs started screaming about the sky falling immediately and took on a "oh well, guess socialism will never work time to support the libs!" stance.

They never had any intent of building a broader left wing movement. It just seemed like a cool thing to hop on for them. Once it became clear that it would be difficult, they took the easy way out and switched sides.

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 22 points 5 hours ago

Absolutely pathetic.

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 23 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

American electorialism is death.

Usually and literally for people in Global South sadly.

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 90 points 7 hours ago

they really are uncommitted kelly

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 68 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

shrug-outta-hecks voting PSL machine go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[–] aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 hours ago

Not me standing at the driveway to my polling center with a signature PSL sign (our signs really are the best; call us Professional Signs League the way we be pissing off interns that have to censor our signs before putting them on their articles and videos and ads).

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 65 points 7 hours ago

The Uncommited to palestine movement kelly

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 44 points 6 hours ago

I hate this country

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 15 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Jokes on yall, I was gonna vote for [SYNTAX ERROR] from the very start

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 78 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

"It's not a vote for Kamala; it's a vote against Trump!"

Okay, if you're against both, then vote against both then?

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 35 points 6 hours ago

"No we have to vote against trump tho" only-throw

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