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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Land doesn't have rights

I agree, but the point is to have a section of the government where the 50 disparate governments that make up our union have equal say. This tends to get simplified to "land gets 2 votes" because the other part of Congress is population based

Where is their representation

In the house, as I said already. Also, their 2 senators are part of their representation, they're still part of the state

Why do the Dakotas (4 senators for virtually no population) get more political power than California or Texas?

Because the house has a limit on members. The senate is literally equal by design

Your issue seems to be a lack of understanding of how our legislative branch works because your complaints are all root issues of the House of Representatives and not the senate

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (13 children)

I agree with your House argument, but I strongly believe that the design of the Senate was a major fuck-up. Senators are far more powerful than representatives, and I get none. A single house member cannot torpedo legislation the way a Senator can. North Dakota (population 780k) gets two. The 4.7M people in Harris County get none. That is a poor design.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago (12 children)

and I get none

Only if you're not an American or live in DC

(population 780k) gets two. The 4.7M people in Harris County get none. That is a poor design

Again the people in Harris county get 2 senators as their state senators represent them. And, again, senators do not represent based on population as that is the job of the house

Senators are far more powerful than representatives

Entirely irrelevant as they represent different things. Your representatives represent a portion of your population while your senators represent your state as a whole. The entire point of separating the state and population representation is to allow more perspectives when legislating: the house gives a perspective from closer to the people, the senate from a broader view

Again, it seems you fundamentally don't understand the split between house and Senate, why it exists and what it does to our governing system

[–] Disgracefulone@discuss.online 2 points 9 months ago

No he gets it, clearly, you are the one who (equally clearly) does not.

The Senate is a broken system. The system you keepdescribing is a good system in theory, but it's not that way in reality. It's literally like a gerrymander.wiz program for a computer - designed to make gerrymandering simple.

He even said he recognized your point about uncapping the house, but still went on to say the Senate, too, is broken - and for some reason you're not understanding that.

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