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Why do protestant unionists in northern ireland insist they are "anglo saxon lowland scots" and not celtic irishmen?

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[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why do protestant unionists in northern ireland insist they are “anglo saxon lowland scots” and not celtic irishmen?

They are. Different ethnicity. Different language-group. Different ancestors. They're foreigners whose ancestors came here.

Just like blue-eyed Europeans living in America are not Native Americans.

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True. It's just weird how these ulster orangement insist they are anglo saxon when modern lowland scots consider themselves celts-

I guess they are just that afraid of being called irish-

Really pathetic

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Irish nationalists agree: them lot are Brits

It'd be weird and false for Anglo-Saxons to start claiming to be Native American.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

you kind of are doing a sectarianism here... Protestants will have to be included in a future all-irish project one way or the other. I'm Irish but I know there's Protestants in my family line... plenty of us "Celtic" Irish are descended from colonisers too. refusing to admit that is pretty cringe, what are you the one true Irishman? it's more meaningless of a distinction than ever these days now that we're white too. I'm on board with telling anyone still identifying as a Brit to fuck off but painting all Protestants with the same brush the way you are doing is bare faced sectarianism.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

cool move to spout off a bunch of sectarian race brained nonsense and then retreat as soon as you're criticized by another Irish person. real posterboy for republican socialism you are anyway

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wish I could come across as cool and aloof as you... you must be such a happy and fulfilled person to be acting like this

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Do you have a point?

Yer man asked me to explain the Plantations. I did. Now your making empty noises. I don't have anything left to say and I don't think you do either.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

you're a deeply unpleasant person lol. why don't you find a space more accepting of your backwards views and snide attitude instead of giving Irish folk a shit name on here?

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

all I want is for you to engage with one of my criticisms instead of disengaging like a coward when challenged on your objectionable views. if you're such an authority on Irish nationalism that should be no problem for you?

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I didn't know I was being criticised.

I think I gave a fairly factual summary of "what were the plantations" which is what was asked.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

well you obviously got your hackles raised at my comments so your reading comprehension must be woeful if you didn't realise I was criticising you:) hope you can grow and become a nicer person and less secterian in future, wish you all the best

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean I have a lot of ancestry in ulster from my Scott family lime. I've always just said I have irish ancestry

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

I urge you to not listen to this sectarian moron misrepresenting Irish nationalism.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's weird. Why claim to be from an ethnic group you are not really from?

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So I have no irish ancestry because my family line were planters?

Kind of lame you are being bigoted like the orangemen are

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

when you become so secterian you start adopting unionist positions lol