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Ok so this is bad faith or you clearly have no idea how this country works. Or maybe even both.
So let me get this straight... In order to avoid another Trump term, we must vote for a party that, mathematically, has no chance of winning? Taking votes from the only candidate running against Trump that might win in the process?
Let's remember that Trump said he will not run again if he loses. That means winning in 2024 is the only way that "another win" can happen.
So please, I would love for you to explain to me, how voting third party in 2024 will "avoid a Trump win"?
Again, and perhaps you just don't know how elections here work, but these candidates can not possibly win.
That's not hyperbole, they are literally incapable of securing the 270 electoral votes needed to win. Please tell me you understand this. Like you get the basic arithmetic being used here, right?
So with that said... I would LOVE to hear how voting third party will avoid another Trump term.
part of me shitting on third parties is the fact they enable the bad stuff they want to happen, see the elections of 2000 and 2016. but it also needs to be pointed out, repeatedly, loudly, this other point you just nade:
IT IS STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE TO WIN ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES TO BECOME PRESIDENT.
they don't have an answer for that. if they do respond they never address that specific point only saying well enough people just have to vote third party.
none of these people have any clue how our government or elections or voting works. I'll bet some of them are convinced that because the cheneys endorsed harris it means she's an even bigger genocider even though they both have said they don't agree with her politics except for the politics that preserve the constitution. they're dead enders man.
Removed, civility.
Attacking other users got your comment removed.
Attacking a mod got your comment removed and earned you a temp ban.
The rules here are not ambiguous.
saying it doesn't make it true
In this election cycle, as well as all previous ones, their statement is accurate. In the future? Who knows. But their statement, as written is correct.
you haven't presented any evidence for any claims. saying it doesn't make it true.
A basic grasp of math and statistics is all that's needed.
more handwaving
this still isn't evidence. it is just handwaving.
Let's flip the script. Please provide evidence the green party has won a presidency, or there strong evidence they will this cycle.
I haven't made any such claim. I'm not defending a claim I didn't make.
I made a statement, not a claim. My statement was that the green party has not won a presidency. You demanded I provide evidence. I was merely showing you how silly that request was.
Your statement was a bad faith argument, and had been reported as such.
we can all see that you are not accurately characterizing this thread. it's public.
I am grateful for it being public
No one cares about this impotent propaganda made for idiots
I'll take this as capitulation.
It is. They have to create a strawman to support themselves. "Because people are choosing the best fit from the only two viable candidates, they are choosing based purely on which is more popular."
Feel free to take it however you want.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
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