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[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think dangerous drugs should be prohibited.

You think drugs should just be freely available to the public? All of them? You wouldn't prohibit meth? Heroin? Cocaine?

[–] RION@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are we talking about prohibition or restriction? I fully support restrictions on dangerous drugs, but hasn't it been consistently shown that outlawing vices entirely doesn't stop their consumption and just makes it more dangerous (especially for poor people)?

If we're basing this off danger, then alcohol is the much more immediate concern given how easily available and culturally accepted it is while still being quite bad for you

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

outlawing vices entirely doesn't stop their consumption and just makes it more dangerous (especially for poor people)?

We're in a thread about how legalizing sports betting is driving poor people further into poverty. The idea that legalization is inherently harm reduction is completely divorced from reality.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

i agree its a total false equivalence here drugs and gambling are in fact different and one is a lot easier to stop people doing in harmful ways

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You think drugs should just be freely available to the public?

I do. A lot of the danger of drugs is mitigated by quality control and education.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In the United States we have an opioid epidemic fueled by quality controlled, regulated drugs given out by medical professionals in spite of generally widespread knowledge that opioids are dangerous and addictive.

I think that a lot of people say stuff like what you're claiming, but I don't really buy it.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

it's the same thing as prison abolition where secretly it's not really that. I consider myself a drug liberationist but you can't just let people kill themselves with heroin or take antibiotics whenever. there would still need to be mechanisms of control oversight and intervention. ultimately the goal is to transcend the need for these vices of course.

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why are opioids dangerous? And why do people get addictes? Its not because of their availability

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Aside from causing permanent brain damage?

Because they impair your judgement and kill you if you take too much which you could easily do do if your judgement is impaired?

Also, yes it fucking is because of the availability. The reason it became a massive epidemic is that every other doctor in the country became a drug dealer for dangerous recreational drugs.

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

you take too much

See my previous comment

Also, yes it fucking is because of the availability. The reason it became a massive epidemic is that every other doctor in the country became a drug dealer for dangerous recreational drugs.

And why were they doing this? Because the drugs were available or because it was profitable?

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

See my previous comment

I don't follow. Are you saying that if people understand the dangers of overdosing they'll quit doing it? Because if so I think you're ignoring the impaired judgement.

And why were they doing this? Because the drugs were available or because it was profitable?

The drugs are available because they're profitable. Giving them to anyone who asks for free won't make them safer.

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They did it because people came to them and asked for it. Making them over the counter would make this vastly vastly worse in every way.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

this is deeply naive. also idk how many doctors you have dealt with but they are not known for doing things because the patient asked for them

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Fentanyl and OxyContin seem to suggest otherwise