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I would now say never on the same disk. A shame because many laptops only have one slot. But Windows 11 may do anything and you never know what happens after a "Windows update"
Twice after a windows update I lost my bootloader menu and my laptop would boot straight into Windows. After the second time I just removed Windows. Some investigation revealed that "Windows does not support dual booting" which I believe translates to "we will ocationally cause issues that a beginner would struggle to fix in the hopes of them staying on Windows." Just a theory. Separate drives for sure if you can. No idea if they still do this as it's been years since I dual booted
They still do it (at least they did a couple months ago) and Windows even likes to erase or replace linux bootloaders when on separate drive in my experience.
Annoyed me enough to remove Windows too. I'll never install that anywhere again
Yes its horrible. This may happen during their weird updates.
Interestingly you can swap drives Windows 11 and Fedora, it does "repair" bullshit at the beginning but works.
If you never update windows (which is so horrible that you actually need to consider that) you can first install it, shrink it and install Linux.
I've seen people talk about Windows messing up the Linux install. Have there been cases where the windows install itself was messed up after an update (or is it straight up "you never know" and anything can happen)
I only have one slot, and I'd prefer to not have to carry around a USB or external drive if I can avoid it. I'm ok with having to redo the Linux install/setup, and it might be nice practice anyway. But I definitely need to have windows running and stable for schoolwork.
When I was using windows 10 + linux mint for over the 2 years I never got a boot problem from windows update. You just need a separate EFI partition for linux boot loader.
My Partitions: Windows boot C: D: Windows recovery or some other crap Linux EFI for grub / (Root directory) Swap
I don't bother with separate /home because I never know how much I will fill up my disk
I've never had an issue, outside of bios updates (see last paragraph). I've even booted into windows after hibernating in linux (but not the other way around, since I don't let windows hibernate; not saying you can't, just that I don't), and everything was fine when i got back. I use a swap partition for hibernating, in case you're curious.
I do try to make sure I'm watching when it reboots after a windows update (because linux is my default, so i have to select windows from the boot loader) just in case, but i've also fucked that up a time or two with no ill effects.
My one piece of advice is: once you get it working, take a picture of your bios settings. You may have to fix some settinga after bios updates, as they can get set back to the default values. I did not do this, and while it led to a very confusing afternoon due to my inexperience, it would have been a non-issue if I'd have taken some pictures and known to look at them.
So for me USB sticks dont even work on Secureboot, so you need to disable that.
Then you can shrink your windows partition and install Fedora or something in the rest. Only use the unallocated space.
I actually removed the windows Bootloader manually, the IT simply removed the Linux bootloader instead, lol.