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is it not possible for a man and a woman to have the same "presentation"?
You didn't answer my question, but at that point one of these two people is presenting a gender outside of the binary, or at least on the other end from what their gender is.
why?
What do you mean, "why?" If a cisgender man and a cisgender woman have the same gender presentation, one of them has done something not very binary gendered, or at the very least outside of their assigned gender.
If you want to make the argument that physical traits are inherently gendered, do it straightforwardly instead of talking around me or disengage.
how the fuck is clothing inherently gendered, but not fucking sexual characteristics??
just posting to remind to keep things civil in this thread
If you really wanna get into it in good faith, presentational aspects, clothes and such, only have the genders they're given which is societally constructed. There's nothing innately "female" about ankle length skirts but they're seen as a feminine thing in the west right now. You either take that into account or decide to flout it deliberately.
Any human of any gender can have any physical characteristic, ergo, no physical characteristic is gendered.
There is nothing innately "female" about breasts but they're seen as a feminine thing in the west right now. You either take that into account (by binding etc.) or decide to flout it deliberately.
I mean, I don't think I disagree really. Breasts being seen as feminine is wrong and terrible and a cisnormative notion, so we should be getting rid of it.
so then what IS "gender expression" in a world where clothes and characteristics have no gender?
That's sort of what I'm asking, presumably something much cooler and without baggage. I guess you could say that in our world, gender expression exists in relation to the gender binary, whether it plays within it or breaks it. If you think physical traits and characteristics have innate gender you have work to do.
Hit me up when we get clothes and everything else degendered, though I'm not entirely certain we should degender clothes necessarily. I don't know if it's as harmful as saying that breasts are female for instance.