this post was submitted on 20 Oct 2024
183 points (99.5% liked)

History

23107 readers
133 users here now

Welcome to c/history! History is written by the posters.

c/history is a comm for discussion about history so feel free to talk and post about articles, books, videos, events or historical figures you find interesting

Please read the Hexbear Code of Conduct and remember...we're all comrades here.

Do not post reactionary or imperialist takes (criticism is fine, but don't pull nonsense from whatever chud author is out there).

When sharing historical facts, remember to provide credible souces or citations.

Historical Disinformation will be removed

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
WhoaSlowDownMaurice@hexbear.net
thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net
ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net
InsidiousTrackers@hexbear.net
183
Just Classicist Problems (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 weeks ago by ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/history@hexbear.net
26 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21066079

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 22 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder where else, and what time periods have this as the same ("eunuchs" in western or modern mistranslations/misrepresentation actually being trans people)? While there are also no doubt also cases of the term being accurate, it does make one wonder- and it's somewhat heartwarming to think that there was such acceptance on some level, not that it's so odd for pre-Christian (or even then, before trans identity started getting weaponized by the reactionary culture wars) cultures...

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 45 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

There's eight genders in the Talmud

  1. Zachar, male.
  2. Nekevah, female.
  3. Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
  4. Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
  5. Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
  6. Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
  7. Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
  8. Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.

1-2 are what we'd call cis. 3, 4, 5 and 7 are different presentations of being intersex. 6 and 8 are what we'd call trans and also include eunuchs etc.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Talmud

androgynos

Can you expand on this? That's greek after all right?

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Probably a loan word at some point https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Huh the talmud is younger than I thought then

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Yeah the Torah is the older one.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Loan words are fun, your language either lacks a word for a concept or it's very obscure so you just grab one from a neighboring culture. English has loads of them from French

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

At this point english is to french as swiss is to german.