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Nate Silver's essay discusses the limitations of gut instincts in election predictions, emphasizing that while polls in battleground states show a tight race, no one should trust their "gut" predictions. Silver’s "gut" leans toward Trump, but he stresses that polls are complex and often subject to errors like nonresponse bias. Both Trump and Harris could overperform based on various polling dynamics. He also warns of potential polling herding, which could lead to a larger-than-expected victory for either candidate. Ultimately, the outcome remains highly uncertain.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Regardless of what happens in this election, the Democrats MUST commit themselves to abolishing the electoral college. Yes, I know that will require a constitutional amendment. Yes, I know that will be extraordinarily difficult, some might say impossible, but it must be done. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, and, most importantly, because it is absolutely necessary.

I am not a liberal, but I am a democrat, as in: an advocate for democracy. I believe the people should rule. If you agree, then you surely see why the electoral college must be abolished. It is undemocratic.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, I know that will require a constitutional amendment. Yes, I know that will be extraordinarily difficult, some might say impossible

There's a shortcut

States have the ultimate say over how their electors for President represent the will of the people. The NPV movement asks states to assign EC votes based on the result of the National Popular Vote. Several states have passed laws mandating this once enough states pass it to constitute an EC majority.

It has been passed in states making up 209 electors, and proposed in states making up 50 more. If those states passed it, and they get 11 more electors (perhaps Arizona?), then they will have the 270 votes necessary to guarantee the EC will vote in line with the popular vote. Still a hard problem, but now the problem has been confined to a handful of states.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's say it gets passed in enough states to matter and there's an election where it changes the result. In every state where the loser would have gotten the votes of that state, but didn't, there will be an immediate campaign to withdrawal from the pact, and it will get popular support within that state.

I don't think it's possible for the napovointerco to ever effect more than one election.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Politics doesn't happen in a vacuum.

When the NPVC goes into effect, both major parties will run whole-country campaigns and swaths of the nation that are currently ignored will get actual attention. While some states may have pullback campaigns, its also likely that other states will react by joining the compact to preserve the new status quo of not being ignored.

(the compact itself does allow for states leaving, and even sets a nice 6-month time offset. )

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

While i think that's true to an extent, I'm not convinced that the pressure within a state to encourage campaigning will overcome the establishment party's desire for power.

I would love to be proven wrong on this though

For context, I say this as a citizen of a very, very GOP dominated state. I really can't see us joining the compact and then maintaining that in any hypothetical near-future political environment where any non-republucian wins the popular vote, and gains our electors through the compact.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Depending on your state that's probably true... Unless, like Georgia (or maybe Texas soon) you have an even where a Red-controlled state goes Blue by a thin majority and the NPV keeps special attention away from them.

I can honestly see Texas republicans joining the NPV if they go POTUS-blue just once. Especially if there's any downballot effect.