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[CW: mentions of Islamophobia] Is Islam as homophobic and sexist as westerners claim? (hexbear.net)
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I'm guessing it's like Christianity where there are leftist Christians who follow Jesus' more progressive messages such as giving to the less fortunate and healing the sick, and then there are the scary Christian evangelicals that want A Handmaids Tale and conversion therapy. Logically, Islam probably isn't a monolith in a similar way other religions aren't.

However, I have never heard about what those of the Islamic faith actually believe outside of the hysterical post 9/11 Islamophobia I've been indoctrinated with as a child.

I want to know what the truth is and hear the other sides story. To me it's obvious that Islamophobia is wrong, however when Islamophobes make wild claims about it, I can't really refute them confidently because I'm simply ignorant of the facts. Please educate my dumb, white ass.

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[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

L

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There is a specter haunting this thread: the specter of Sam Harris style "not Islamophobic, butt " Reddit New Atheism.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

it haunts the whole website!

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

the specter of Sam Harris style "not Islamophobic, butt "

I hate people like this, so, so much.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Feel free to square that circle and explain how religion and Marxism are able to go hand in hand. Marxism is a material analysis of the world. Religion is not and quite the opposite.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

actually not interested in a debate reddit atheist, just wanted to let you know your take sucks!

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What debate lol

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

What debate lol

Feel free to square that circle and explain how religion and Marxism are able to go hand in hand.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Marx called religion the soul of soulless conditions.

Sanctimoniously looking down on downtrodden people before anything about those conditions can even begin to improve must feel good, but it doesn't win anyone over that isn't already tipping fedoras at you.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Religion is literally used to maintain dominance over people and prevent condition from improving

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Your smug bloviating is "literally" alienating and pushing people away that are so crushed by their present conditions that saying "um actually religion bad" is just an insufferable liberal-coded flex on them that makes them hate you more.

Plenty of New Atheists in the present day lick corporate boots and they are certainly contributing to a worsening of conditions, no formal religion required.

Have you fucking read Marx? The post-religious world comes a long time later and your self-congratulatory present-day smugness has no function or purpose in it.

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

"Hah, fine, I'll read Marx"

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions.

"shoulder-grab and that's why i left the Left"