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French pupil’s father on trial for spreading lies that led to teacher’s Islamist beheading
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If there is no God, then morality doesn't exist.
And that's why you are not a good person. Most people don't need the threat of eternal hellfire to empathize and understand that it's bad to hurt people.
That's because there is a God and we have a moral compass that's divinely designed. But without God, it can still be overridden. Everyone has committed evil at some point in their lives.
Your beliefs are not supported by anything other than an old book. Shit, Newtons theories of gravity have more evidence for them than your boom of fairytale and we've still discredited them. Regardless of the prominence of belief in the Christian God and its pervasiveness in western culture, that does not mean that morality does not exist without God unless you come at it from a specifically platonist philosophy. And therein we see the problem: your subscription to one form of ancient philosophy and denial that other ways of thinking even exist.
Most of history isn't supported by anything other than an old book. You can't compare it to gravity.
I also know that history doesn't make metaphysical claims about the nature of the universe and concepts such as morality. Science is our best way of understanding the world, not voodoo. That's why I mentioned gravity.
Nop. In your head only.
The religious do not have a monopoly on morality, ethics or the social contract. If they did, the secular people wouldn't be outraged whenever a religious leader got caught diddling a kid.
If I had a penny for every time someone on here used the sexual abuse of children to try and debunk the resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I'd have enough to buy a sandwich.
Hypothetically, even if Jesus came back from the dead, what does that have to do with his self described "followers" being child molesters? What does that have to do with non believers being outraged at the various denominations reluctant at confronting the molesters?
Did you read the article? Because I think the person beheading the guy had strong "religious morals"...
That's Islam
So not only did you weep when you read the bible, but you also promptly forgot everything it said and proceeded to judge others despite Jesus' words. What a good christian. Please go away.
Huh? When did I judge others?
"that's Islam" isn't judgy to you? As if beheading someone is the average answer to stuff in the quran. Also, remember that the bible and the quran are both based on the same stuff. They're not as different as you'd like to believe. It's literally just a bible with some added texts which. Both of which are barbaric due to them being outdated.
Also, I suggest you reread Ecclesiastes 5:2 for another example of how you're sinning in this thread.
The Qur'an is absolutely not based on the "same stuff". Such a claim is just flat out false. It is in no way the Bible with added texts- that's just flat out incorrect. And your Bible verse about approaching the temple out of context isn't relevant either.
They've all taken the Torah that Moses dreamt up and made their own version with hookers and blackjack. You can spin it however you want, but it's true. The fact that it's not copied word for word doesn't change the fact that it's the same foundation.
The Egyptians and the Mesopotamians/Babylonians influenced the Canaanite religion, then that evolved into Judaism, then that splintered into Judaism and Christianity and then came Mohammed who was like "yep, those guys and those books came from God! And I am the last prophet of God!"
Then we got a bunch of other prophets like Joseph Smith, Nostradamus, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Ellen White, etc. So... Yeah.
Also, I guess this is an example of how different people interpret these books. To me, 5:2 seems to speak against word vomit, which is what I was implying you're doing in this thread and others.
Literally sharing the gospel here
The existence of those lunatics doesn't discredit Jesus Christ. Jesus didn't claim to be a prophet- He claimed to be God Himself. Something Mohammed conveniently retconned. Mohammed and Joseph Smith seeked power and extra wives. Ellen seeks money. Jesus was crucified.
Jesus was crucified, David koresh was shot, Joan of arc was burned at the stake, etc. Yeah, they all had different messages and interpretations. Some were martyrs, others weren't. Some were actually sainted, others weren't.
But at least you're not debating my previous point anymore, means we agree on something finally. Let's leave it at that, shall we?
This is the most stupid answer I have ever got in my life
That's God
Wow, just tell everyone that you are a sociopath with no conscience or empathy?
If you have no morality without pedophiles and a global child abuse rings threatening you with torture for eternity, then you are a horrible person all around with or without religion.
I do not have paedophiles and child abuse rings threatening to torture me forever, what are you on about
Abrahamic religious organizations are notoriously and with very few exceptions, hosts to child abuse rings and shuffle pedophiles consistently around their organizations when it comes out in their community. See: every Catholic church scandal of the last 100 years and further, and hundreds of protestant church scandals in the past decades.
They threaten that if you don't follow their book and do what they say that their deity demands, you will be tortured in hell for all eternity.
There is no hate like christian love.
https://apnews.com/article/us-news-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-religion-crime-bf69964182bf4fd1bf3fee1789abef0b
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlance/USCCB_Yearly_Data_on_Accused_Priests.htm
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/254393/illinois-attorney-general-report-sexual-abuse
https://eu.augustachronicle.com/story/news/2022/05/26/list-alleged-sex-abusers-southern-baptists-churches-made-public/9946627002/
& https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/southern-baptist-leaders-stonewalled-sex-abuse-survivors-report-indicates
https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-church-sexual-abuse-settlement-8d04f5c8da061462f04be59b73cc3e92
And hundreds more of individual cases here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/
Not even counting the sexual predator pastors and clergy shielded by the church
I do not love an organisation. I love Jesus Christ. This is irrelevant to me.
Ah yes, the classic child-abuser-apologist line that every "christian" brings out when confronted about the abuse of their revered leaders that they absolutely refuse to condemn before they go back to church to give money directly to the abusers every week.
Do you love Jesus or have convinced yourself that you love him because you are so afraid of hell? Very Stockholm syndrome-esque. Take kids during their developmental years and tell them that "people" go to hell and are tortured forever unless they love Jesus and follow sky-daddy's rules (and by extension, the rules of the church). Then they are told that over and over until they are brought to a special ceremony to declare their love.
Or I guess you have never once been to church and never a single time been told that people go to hell if they don't love Jesus and accept him into their hearts? I guess you just read the entire bible without any external influence at all and converted after your brain was fully developed after 25 or so, again, with nobody telling you about it. But I guess when you lie, you can just ask Daddy for forgiveness and you get off with no consequences! Tons of harm, no foul.
Either way, I guess I am glad because it is the only thing stopping you from rampaging around murdering, raping people and animals, stealing, torturing, maiming, abusing, and whatever else you apparently so strongly desire to do.
My church doesn't have child abusers that I'm aware of. If they did, I'd leave. I left a different church, partially because they paid licencing fees to Hillsong, which had several scandals.
God issues justice, and all are sinful. Only Jesus can save you. Not a Church or following rules. Church is where I receive the sacraments, meet with other believers, worship, and help build God's kingdom.
That's contradictory. You were upset with God's justice, now you're upset with His mercy.
If you want to suffer the consequences of your actions, you are welcome to do so. But don't act like He didn't take it on for you.
It sure does