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I just cannot fathom how they think there are enough of us to matter, and how we have any meaningful political power at all. The enemy is both strong and weak. The enemy is laughable, yet an omnipresent threat. Obsession with a plot, often international. Like just say "Judeo-Bolsheviks" if that's what you want to say.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Right? And like, I bet you nickles to dollars she's talking about some made up bullshit instead of, like, the extremely well documented great purge or transportation of Ethnic Germans after the war.

Like, did Stalin do crimes? Yes. Does anyone whining about Stalin's crimes ever talk about any historical fuck up that Stalin actually made? Never. 0% of the time. It has literally never happened. It's always bullshit about the 1932 famine or mysteriously completely undocumented anti-semitism or some bullshit.

Smdh you hexbear tankies don't believe in the evil of stalin

My great great grandfather fled Poland to Germany in 1941 and he told me that Stalin once gathered everyone in Russia into Red Fash Square and plucked a chicken of all its feathers while feeding it to show just how evil he was

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the extremely well documented great purge

People talk about the Great Purge all the time, what are you talking about?

Personally, my reading is that he was negligent in stopping it but it was a slaughter perpetrated by Yezhov, acting as a world-historical wrecker, but there's a distressing lack of documentation about his trial (and the investigations/interrogations surrounding it) that has been released from the archives. It's possible that he was tortured and it's all bullshit, but Yagoda was clearly documented to be an actual opposition bloc ally at the time of his heading the NKVD, so clearly things like that are possible.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nah, there are some documents indicating that stalin was somewhat aware of the scale of purge (e.g. we found 5k wreckers in local party - you know what to do, signed), and yezhov got got over being gay, unless i mistake him with someone else (and if i remember right, he never admitted guilt over purge itself (in that it was out of scale, not that it didn't happen))

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll just trust you on the first part. I know Stalin got complaints (which also indicated that the scale was pretty big) and didn't act on them, and that's why I said he was negligent. If I remember right, Yezhov was honey-potted by a foreign power* and it used that to blackmail him (though of course sodomy was on the list of charges), but he absolutely was convicted on the basis of being a wrecker and trying to damage the SU by killing many people to destabilize it. Whether it is true that he was a wrecker or he was actually just a fall guy for a reckless operation, I don't know. He definitely did also at one point admit to what he was ultimately convicted of, though he later claimed that he only did so under torture and was in fact innocent of most of those charges.

Per NATOpedia:

In his confession, Yezhov admitted to the standard litany of state crimes necessary to mark him as an "enemy of the people" prior to execution, including "wrecking", official incompetence, theft of government funds, and treasonous collaboration with German spies and saboteurs. Apart from these political crimes, he was also accused of and confessed to a humiliating history of sexual promiscuity, including homosexuality, rumors that were later deemed true by some post-Soviet examinations of the case.

On 2 February 1940, Yezhov was tried behind closed doors by the Military Collegium, chaired by Soviet judge Vasiliy Ulrikh. Yezhov, like his predecessor Yagoda, maintained to the end his love for Stalin. Yezhov denied being a spy, a terrorist, or a conspirator, stating that he preferred "death to telling lies". He maintained that his previous confession had been obtained under torture, admitted that he had purged 14,000 of his fellow Chekists, but said that he was surrounded by "enemies of the people".

Again, I think the truth of the matter is unclear due to the relevant archival evidence not being open, but this is what the story is.

*I thought that was him but I'm having trouble finding it. I don't think it was Yagoda, even though he too seemed to be what we would call bi, but it definitely happened to someone . . .

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

In his confession, Yezhov admitted to the standard litany of state crimes necessary to mark him as an "enemy of the people"

love that neutral point of view natopedia. Very cool