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[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ok. First. Those votes were not, like, commies or something. Communists broadly (but not universally ) have no faith in electoral politics beyond the ability to demonstrate how useless electoral politics are for the kinds of change they see as required. The missing votes are likely non-explicitly-ideological Americans, and the disenfranchised left wing of the Democrat coalition, who are not revolutionary socialists - they are better described as social democrats. And why so many of them voted for Biden was, at least in significant part three things that you're pretending don't exist with this meme.

  1. Tremendous dislike of Trump.. which is actually still true, but he was not currently the president during this election. Trump had just spent the last few months massively fucking up the pandemic response very publicly and got covid immediately prior to the election, which made him look stupid and incompetent.

  2. Because of COVID policies, voting had literally never been easier. Shit loads of people voted early because it was universally available. Led to highest turnout ever.

  3. A competitive democratic primary process meant that we had a candidate selection process people could believe in to some degree. Brenie and Biden ran, and Biden won. Bernie voters saw that, looked at the situation and said "This is tolerable because we had a real process, and we can accept Biden as a stop gap under the conditions of Trump needing to be removed, and Biden being a 1 term President". It wasn't 2016, where a significant portion of potential Democrat voters saw the DNC's treatment of Bernie as unfair, and it wasn't 2024 where Biden decided to run with no true Primary after the deal was "single term president", then abruptly dropped out (good idea, shoulda done it 2 years earlier) and effectively appointed his successor by decree.

2020 was an anomaly, and as is true of 2020 in most data sets, using it as a comparison point requires many many qualifications, but Trump gained 40000 votes, Harris lost 10 million. Trump did not perform better, Harris lost voter enthusiasm, which hasn't actually been on the Democrat's side in presidential elections (which have more non-explicitly-ideological voters) since, like, Obama. It's not even necessarily that she needed to be "more left". It's that she needed to reflect the public's distrust of the political status quo and promise material gain for working people explicitly at the expense of someone else (Trump chose , for instance, immigrants and the democrats as the bad guys, but Harris could have chosen, say, rich fuckers like Musk) . She needed to be ready to rip up the floor boards, and she wasn't even ready to say she'd break from fucking Biden (who is broadly unpopular) on policy.

I really, really wish y'all democrats would stop trying to purge your own party of any dissent, because y'all coming out of this with the right lesson will be the difference between a brief period of Republican control, or several elections cycles of Democrats being unviable as a party.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True. Thank you. It's frustrating seeing the DNC shoot itself in the fucking foot to watch people on Lemmy start swinging on anyone but the people who made and executed the failure of a campaign strategy.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I really, really wish y'all democrats would stop trying to purge your own party of any dissent, because y'all coming out of this with the right lesson will be the difference between a brief period of Republican control, or several elections cycles of Democrats being unviable as a party.

a brief period of Republican control, or several elections cycles of Democrats being unviable as a party.

a brief period of Republican control

y'all don't get it do you. It hasn't sunk in yet.

Don't worry, you'll get there. Probably in about six months.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

y’all don’t get it do you. It hasn’t sunk in yet.

Don’t worry, you’ll get there. Probably in about six months

Blue conservatives jerking themselves off over what trump will do to the people they dislike is so fucking god damn cringe.

Fuck First-past-the-post voting for making me have to be "allies" with you.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you actually read Project 2025, I doubt you would feel the same way.

I find people using the word "cringe" as an adjective embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you.

Fuck First-past-the-post voting for making me have to be "allies" with you.

You know what the problem with socialists like you is? You went AWOL on us while we had the fascists on the ropes. Why in God's name you would make an enemy out of both the fascists and the Democrats, I have no idea. But you guys did it, now we're all done.

So don't worry, the feeling is mutual. I really don't think that we're gonna have to worry about that after the next six months though.

Be sure to stock up on your Victory Gin and have a double plus good time before they open the "re-education camps".

[–] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It's funny that even with this much of a massive loss, you diehard democrats find a way to blame leftists. If such a massive margin of loss is the result of leftists, then that would mean leftists are too big of a group to ignore, but ignore is all you and the rest of the democratic party strategists did during the election so that you could instead curry favor with war criminals like dick cheney and telling people that their concerns of genocide don't matter. Turns out democrats are more scared of leftists gaining any power than they are of project 2025.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 0 points 1 month ago

I voted for Harris but if "you guys" were really responsible for loosing then we should have given "them" more representation. But hey, at least this way we don't have to blame Zionists, transphobies, xenophobes, or misogynists. Right?

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Say it then. We're in the period of time where we must critically evaluate the failures of the political machine that delivered this. I'm trying my level best to provide detailed, informative assessment of what I'm seeing without resorting to vitriol or anger, both online and in real life. If you have additional details, provide them. This is the time for vigorous debate, and reassessment, and I see the Democrats as much more of allies than the Republicans, so if you, or any other liberal can get past the phase where you're upset with the leftists who have broadly provided critical support for the Democratic coalliton, I welcome your input.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social -2 points 1 month ago

the leftists who have broadly provided critical support for the Democratic coalliton

have you not been on lemmy the last six months or are you just blind?

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh I get it now. You're saying that "there won't be a next election". Careful with the self fufulling prophecies. If you don't want to succumb to that, I recommend getting involved locally. Whoever you trust electorally will need your help now to build a bulwark for 2026, and getting your hands dirty will help you get over the pessimism.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Get out and vote! Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore! Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed, it'll be fine, you won't have to vote anymore.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/

no amount of getting involved will stop it from happening.

first major protest will likely be a bloodbath.

would love to be wrong, but I doubt it.