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[–] Firipu@startrek.website 39 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Man, every time I see videos like that, my heart breaks. Those are actual human beings with families, loved ones, hopes and dreams... (I know Russia does much worse things to the other side, but that doesn't change the feeling. Most conscripts are just brainwashed cannon fodder :()

Fuck war so much...

[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

If it helps: their deaths were just.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been watching the YouTube channel 1420 where they interview people on the streets of Moscow. Many of them are held hostage too. You can tell that they don't want to speak freely for fear of criminal punishment. One guy even said something to the effect of, "Why don't 100 Americans come over here and protest the war to see what happens." The Russian government quells any form of rebellious organization. To take Putin out of power, it's gonna have to come from the top or a sporadic mass protest after a Bloody Sunday a la 1917 Russian Revolution.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate on how that is relevant?

[–] melechric@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not OP, but possibly the Kent State massacre was the watershed event that shifted US public opinion about the war.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

ah, thank you! that makes sense to me now

[–] rogerhaase@mastodon.social 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@Firipu @Wilshire No. There is internet access in Russia. Every russian knows what's going on.
No pity for the orcs. They come to murder.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's a very simple way of putting things imo :)

The west also has internet access. Some people still end up hateful/believing in flat earth/conspiracy theories.

That doesn't mean they're bad people, just very misguided.

[–] SomeGuyNamedPaul@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately their misguidance is putting them in a position where they're there to kill Ukranians, and asking nicely didn't get them to not be there.

[–] Alchemy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I think they’re bad people.

[–] rogerhaase@mastodon.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Firipu It is always strange that there are people who pity the perpetrator and not the victim.

The war on Ukraine is not a natural disaster. It is made by russians. Go Figure!

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

Oh, I feel equally bad, or even worse when I see what happens to Ukrainians. My heart bleeds for what they're going through.

That doesn't mean I can't feel empathy for individual people that get killed in the blink of an eye...

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

That distinction is completely pointless though. Misguided people murdering people still needs to be stopped, with violence if necessary. And it definitely is necessary when we are talking about them invading another country and murdering its citizens.

[–] sgo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Internet ≠ Internet. It’s heavily censored and monitored in Russia. They don’t have access to all the information we do. Plus, all other media are brainwashing them with propaganda. Makes it hard to believe if some website tells a completely different story.

However, there are those who stay informed and don’t support the war. They just can’t do it openly.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what can i say except quote general Sherman:

War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.

[–] zane@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would they not pull the trigger all the same if the situations were reversed?

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah, absolutely. And I'd feel horrible for the human being on the other side of the scope... I'm talking about the actual human being with a life being killed. Not the politics behind it.

That doesn't mean I'm justifying the atrocities Russia commits or even remotely support their unprovoked attack. Russia is the bad guy, no discussion. But they're still humans and I can still feel bad for the needless loss of human life.